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[#] Mon May 22 2017 14:11:39 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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It had NOTHING to do with incentivising recycling and everything to do with revenue generation. Guess who keeps the money when bottles and cans aren't recycled? The State.

They count on people being lazy. According to New York State's Bottle Bill website, the redemption rate is around 65%. The State keeps 80% of the funds and 20% go to the distributors/bottlers.

While I haven't see the hard numbers, apparenlty New York makes upwards of $100 million a year on the program. Massachusetts generates $39 million a year.


[#] Mon May 22 2017 14:49:18 EDT from zooer

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Someone mentioned it was the state but I didn't know how that worked.



[#] Tue May 23 2017 09:55:19 EDT from kc5tja

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Stop the deposit then. Stop requiring people to put recyclables into special containers marked for that purpose. Stop all of it.

Then wait several years, and let's measure how much we actually recycle.

I'm willing to buy a large pizza of your choice that the recycling rate will drop far below 65%.

WWII saw a lot of recycling, yes, under a heavy propaganda campaign ("do your part", yadda yadda). What happened after WWII though? Our landfills E X P L O D E D with trash.

So don't give me that crap that incentives don't work.

[#] Tue May 23 2017 10:01:41 EDT from kc5tja

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As far as costs of recycling, depends 100% on the material. It's cheaper to recycle aluminum than it is to refine it, by quite a good amount. It's why we don't have "tin" cans anymore; they're all aluminum now. It's no coincidence that recycling programs focus on aluminum products for the most part.

Recycling takes energy. That's the major cost driver. Drop the energy costs required, and you'll see more recycling of different products. Even plastics, today, are starting to be recycled into different things, ranging from carpets to 3D printer filament.

Which raises an interesting issue; we have all the energy we need to recycle with in the world. We have *vast* deserts with which we can collect solar energy from (either solar-voltaic or solar-thermally). Capital costs would be high, but operating costs would be low, and the products resold through it can turn a profit. The only thing really stopping this from happening are: 1) public perception, 2) fear, and 3) lack of political will (keeping deserts pristine and other environmental issues).

[#] Tue May 23 2017 11:05:21 EDT from zooer

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Tue May 23 2017 09:55:19 AM EDT from kc5tja
So don't give me that crap that incentives don't work.

There are states that don't require deposits and people still recycle.



[#] Tue May 23 2017 11:41:36 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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How about stopping the need for people to recycle stuff? Hire people to pick through our trash and decide what to recycle? I hate putting out two garbage cans, or being forced to keep garbage around to recycle.

It's a perfect job for criminals.

[#] Tue May 23 2017 12:23:12 EDT from kc5tja

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2017-05-23 11:41 from Ragnar Danneskjold
How about stopping the need for people to recycle stuff? Hire people

to pick through our trash and decide what to recycle? I hate putting

out two garbage cans, or being forced to keep garbage around to
recycle.

It's a perfect job for criminals.



This is what I meant when I said that the deposit system is obsolete. Most of this stuff can be handled by computer vision systems these days; you don't even need criminals anymore, really.

[#] Tue May 23 2017 12:25:10 EDT from kc5tja

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Not sure if this is the right place, but it IS a rant, so...

Today I discovered that MS PowerPoint for MacOS colors its window this putrid orange, and because every other window in the system still adheres to a more or less skeumorphic design, I kept closing a bunch of other windows thinking I was closing PowerPoint. It took me some time to realize what was going on.

This is not Facebook's fault. This is Microsoft's fault for being retarded and not wanting to remain consistent with MacOS's design guidelines. Apple's not entirely without blame too, but Microsoft owns this one, full stop.

[#] Sun Jun 04 2017 19:32:52 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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All windows on the screen following the system's native chrome is *so* 20th Century. But you have to accept software that doesn't use the native chrome, and you have to welcome it, even if it damages your system, because if you don't, you're a racist!!!1

[#] Mon Jun 05 2017 19:16:06 EDT from LoanShark

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If you don't, you're a Hitler Reacts to Unity video.

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