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[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 10:21:52 EST from darknetuser

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2021-03-11 13:15 from IGnatius T Foobar
High end NVIDIA should do that

I am not a PC gamer. What does that mean?



For what it is worth, Nvidia is recommended against by the OpenBSD team because they suck as a company. Official nvidia modules are tightly integrated to your kernel and GUI stack. When Nvidia decides to pull support from your stack or kernel (which is not that rare if you are a poor darknetuser in a screwed up country) then the graphic card is useless.

Example:

You buy card A and install Nvidia's official modules. A year later, you upgrade your distro and install the next official Nvidia modules. YOu upgrade once per year in this phashion until one day Nvidia comes and tells you that your card is no longer being served drivers for modern distributions.

So at that point you either have to get a modern card or you have to stop updating and keep using an old unmaintained distribution with that particular set of hardware.

And then somebody pops up and tells you it is your fault for not upgrading. Sorry man, if I could have more than 30 bucks in my bank account I would, but what do you expect me to do? Go out and steal a new computer?

If they just did what ATI/AMD does and had a B-class set of FOSS modules this would be much less of a problem. I understand people does not care for poor losers enough to write modules for them, and that is ok, but don't be a dick about it.

Now I feel I should be pasting this in Rants.

[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 12:05:39 EST from Nurb432

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Yes there are risks for ANY hardware you choose. However not too long after a card comes out, OSS drivers do appear, and by the time a card is sunsetted the OSS drivers have improved and are fine. So you are not as screwed as it sounds. 

As far as i'm concerned tho, for GPU power no one else comes close, so if you care more about performance, you go with them. If you are more worried about long(er) term native support, then go with someone else.

 

Fri Mar 12 2021 10:21:52 EST from darknetuser
2021-03-11 13:15 from IGnatius T Foobar
High end NVIDIA should do that

I am not a PC gamer. What does that mean?



For what it is worth, Nvidia is recommended against by the OpenBSD team because they suck as a company. Official nvidia modules are tightly integrated to your kernel and GUI stack. When Nvidia decides to pull support from your stack or kernel (which is not that rare if you are a poor darknetuser in a screwed up country) then the graphic card is useless.

Example:

You buy card A and install Nvidia's official modules. A year later, you upgrade your distro and install the next official Nvidia modules. YOu upgrade once per year in this phashion until one day Nvidia comes and tells you that your card is no longer being served drivers for modern distributions.

So at that point you either have to get a modern card or you have to stop updating and keep using an old unmaintained distribution with that particular set of hardware.

And then somebody pops up and tells you it is your fault for not upgrading. Sorry man, if I could have more than 30 bucks in my bank account I would, but what do you expect me to do? Go out and steal a new computer?

If they just did what ATI/AMD does and had a B-class set of FOSS modules this would be much less of a problem. I understand people does not care for poor losers enough to write modules for them, and that is ok, but don't be a dick about it.

Now I feel I should be pasting this in Rants.

 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 12:07:28 EST from Nurb432

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To be fair, there are a LOT of things they dont recommend.

Some of it for security and technical reasons, some of it for political.  Theo is a nutcase, remember.

Fri Mar 12 2021 10:21:52 EST from darknetuser
Nvidia is recommended against by the OpenBSD team

 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:18:34 EST from LoanShark

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2021-03-10 10:00 from IGnatius T Foobar
Thanks :)

Linux on ARM is in a weird place right now, because the most common
operating system -- Raspberry Pi OS -- is still shipping as a 32-bit

How much longer will it be the most common?

https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/

[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:22:34 EST from LoanShark

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2021-03-10 16:42 from Nurb432
High end NVIDIA should do that 
Wed Mar 10 2021 15:04:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar


On a completely different note, I have found myself in a position
where I need to spec a computer for a video presentation project. Who

here knows their SuperMegaDoomDestroyer video cards?

I need to figure out what kind of video card to put in a machine
that is expected to drive video playback on three (3) Full HD
(1920x1080) monitors.
I know, that's a lot of power but I'm spending someone else's money

A lot of context here to quote, so I quoted all of it.

1) High end NVIDIA is currently unobtainium. I'm backordered to smithereens. But at least I was able to place a backorder at all; most resellers don't accept backorders. So I think, in practical terms, you can either backorder via shopblt.com, a friendly scalper like britishminers, or a less friendly scalper, or try your luck with the Newegg Shuffle.

2) You don't actually need a very powerful video card just to drive 3 FHD outputs, even with video playback. I bet there are some mobos with integrated video that can handle that; it's mostly just a question of which ports you have natively and what displayport splitters you add on after the fact.

[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:31:38 EST from LoanShark

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2021-03-12 12:07 from Nurb432
To be fair, there are a LOT of things they dont recommend.

Like, actually using your computer. You're supposed to just sit around and admire how secure it is ;)

[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:35:27 EST from Nurb432

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All arm hardware i have is running 64bit..  I cant be *that* much ahead of the curve.

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:18:34 EST from LoanShark
2021-03-10 10:00 from IGnatius T Foobar
Thanks :)

Linux on ARM is in a weird place right now, because the most common
operating system -- Raspberry Pi OS -- is still shipping as a 32-bit

How much longer will it be the most common?

https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/

 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:35:58 EST from Nurb432

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Sounds about right :) 

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:31:38 EST from LoanShark
2021-03-12 12:07 from Nurb432
To be fair, there are a LOT of things they dont recommend.

Like, actually using your computer. You're supposed to just sit around and admire how secure it is ;)

 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 13:43:25 EST from Nurb432

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Should have said 'newish' arm. Last couple of years or newer.

 

I do have old 32 BIt arm in a box in a closet. Collecting dust.

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:35:27 EST from Nurb432

All arm hardware i have is running 64bit..  I cant be *that* much ahead of the curve.

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:18:34 EST from LoanShark
2021-03-10 10:00 from IGnatius T Foobar
Thanks :)

Linux on ARM is in a weird place right now, because the most common
operating system -- Raspberry Pi OS -- is still shipping as a 32-bit

How much longer will it be the most common?

https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/

 



 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 14:04:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I have a GTX 1080 and an RTX 2080 GPU in my i7. 

https://www.amazon.com/rtx-2080/s?k=rtx+2080

It sounds like something in the RTX range is what you're wanting. 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 14:28:58 EST from Nurb432

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I have a couple of 1650s in one machine, but never tried to ruin all 3 ports at once.  ( they were for mining until the DAG hit 4g... so really the ports didnt even matter to me. )

 

Figured that he would want something newish tho.  Thus my list. 

Fri Mar 12 2021 14:04:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions

I have a GTX 1080 and an RTX 2080 GPU in my i7. 

https://www.amazon.com/rtx-2080/s?k=rtx+2080

It sounds like something in the RTX range is what you're wanting. 



 



[#] Fri Mar 12 2021 14:29:51 EST from Nurb432

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lol ruin. 

 

 

Fri Mar 12 2021 14:28:58 EST from Nurb432

I have a couple of 1650s in one machine, but never tried to ruin all 3 ports at once.  ( they were for mining until the DAG hit 4g... so really the ports didnt even matter to me. )

 

Figured that he would want something newish tho.  Thus my list. 

Fri Mar 12 2021 14:04:38 EST from ParanoidDelusions

I have a GTX 1080 and an RTX 2080 GPU in my i7. 

https://www.amazon.com/rtx-2080/s?k=rtx+2080

It sounds like something in the RTX range is what you're wanting. 



 



 



[#] Sat Mar 13 2021 15:02:49 EST from Nurb432

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A few of the 23 bit dust collectors, that got obsoleted over time and replaced with higher power stuff.  Sad really. 

 

( most them are not PIs, just PI cases. )

 

Fri Mar 12 2021 13:43:25 EST from Nurb432

Should have said 'newish' arm. Last couple of years or newer.

 

I do have old 32 BIt arm in a box in a closet. Collecting dust.

 


[#] Sat Mar 13 2021 21:01:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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For what it is worth, Nvidia is recommended against by the OpenBSD
team because they suck as a company. Official nvidia modules are

I believe you. Doesn't matter though, because I'm going to run Windows on this machine.

It's going to be a cool project, actually. Without giving too much away, it's a project involving a retro cover band that will play in front of an immersive video wall. Some of it will be slide-show type stuff, but there will be video clips in the wall as well, and even some live video (crowd shots) if I can work that in.

My biggest problem to solve is that the band will *not* play to a click track to stay in sync with the video, so it has to be built in a way that can handle "cues" at specific points in each song. I'm actually thinking about using PowerPoint, unless any of you geniuses know of something more purpose-built for that kind of thing.

I'll bet I could even train PowerPoint to deliver cues to a lighting board, which would be great because that would eliminate the need to have another person at every show.

[#] Sat Mar 13 2021 21:01:52 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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To be fair, there are a LOT of things they dont recommend.

Like, actually using your computer. You're supposed to just sit around

and admire how secure it is ;)

Savage :)

My distaste for OpenBSD is pretty well documented so I don't think I need to rehash it.

[#] Sun Mar 14 2021 09:34:40 EDT from Nurb432

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Ah, well you can still get drivers from after they move on to newer and better.  Just if windows ever changes versions again, might have a problem then. 

 

I dont know enough from your description, but i can ask my uncle. hes a professional musician.. 

Sat Mar 13 2021 21:01:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
For what it is worth, Nvidia is recommended against by the OpenBSD
team because they suck as a company. Official nvidia modules are

I believe you. Doesn't matter though, because I'm going to run Windows on this machine.

It's going to be a cool project, actually. Without giving too much away, it's a project involving a retro cover band that will play in front of an immersive video wall. Some of it will be slide-show type stuff, but there will be video clips in the wall as well, and even some live video (crowd shots) if I can work that in.

My biggest problem to solve is that the band will *not* play to a click track to stay in sync with the video, so it has to be built in a way that can handle "cues" at specific points in each song. I'm actually thinking about using PowerPoint, unless any of you geniuses know of something more purpose-built for that kind of thing.

I'll bet I could even train PowerPoint to deliver cues to a lighting board, which would be great because that would eliminate the need to have another person at every show.

 



[#] Sun Mar 14 2021 09:39:39 EDT from Nurb432

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Not that it maters, but ever seen Zappa plays Zappa? they did something like that. Unsure how they did the sync tho.   But ill ask my uncle,     I'm sure it already exists. 

 

Nothing else a simple video editor and do it manually. Insert X at certain points where no one notices but them, like they used to do to warn the film jockeys in theaters a reel change was coming up.



[#] Sun Mar 14 2021 13:12:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Not that it maters, but ever seen Zappa plays Zappa?

Is it as bad as Natalie Cole?

[#] Sun Mar 14 2021 15:41:34 EDT from Nurb432

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No, it was great. But, i have always been a HUGE fan of Frank, and a fan of Dweezil.  Moon and Ahmet, not so much.

Just that they had Frank on the overhead behind them doing his piece, while they played the songs along with him.  So there had to be some sort of timing coordination going on.   Not every song, but several. 

With Frank it was obvious about coordinating the band as he "conducted" them ( sometimes overly with a baton, other times not so noticeable to the audience ).  But Dweezil doesn't do that, or at least not that i could tell. Possible there were visual cues i was missing out on due to just enjoying been there, or they may have been hidden from view.

Sun Mar 14 2021 13:12:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Not that it maters, but ever seen Zappa plays Zappa?

Is it as bad as Natalie Cole?

 



[#] Sun Mar 14 2021 16:16:22 EDT from Nurb432

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Random thought:

 

Back at one of the plants i worked in we had 'stack lights' as we called t hem. A bank of colored lights that told skilled trades ion the area they had work to do.   That way they didnt have to sit and stare a a computer waiting for work. Blue = electrician, yellow = millwright, etc. They would see their light, know there is work to do and head on into the maintenance room to see what was up and grab their ticket off the printer there. And where it was quiet enough to talk to plan..

( pagers didnt work in the area due to all the steel, and it was pre smartphone )

 

Perhaps something like that, out of view of most but where your guys can see. With timers set to flash them. Each color means something else for the set. Good use for a battery powered RPI or something.



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