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[#] Sat Feb 27 2021 08:21:46 EST from nonservator

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lol fake libertarians



[#] Tue Mar 02 2021 19:02:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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When you buy from Amazon, you're buying from HITLER!

I'll go out of my way to avoid Amazon. We all have to do our part to help prevent a future where Jeff Bezos is the only person on the planet who has a job.

As for my tech purchases, I go to Micro Center. They're a bit of a drive for me but it's worth it.

[#] Wed Mar 03 2021 09:19:21 EST from darknetuser

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2021-03-02 19:02 from IGnatius T Foobar
When you buy from Amazon, you're buying from HITLER!

I'll go out of my way to avoid Amazon. We all have to do our part to

help prevent a future where Jeff Bezos is the only person on the planet

who has a job.

As for my tech purchases, I go to Micro Center. They're a bit of a
drive for me but it's worth it.



Consider yourself upvoted, liked, hashtagged, reshared, befriended and whatever have you :)

[#] Wed Mar 03 2021 19:39:42 EST from Nurb432

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And supporting the destruction of countless acres of farmland for their damned warehouses.  They are destroying the town just beside me faster than you can blink. Its disgusting. They ran out a 3 generation fruit farm this last fall.  I think they are up to 5 or 6 buildings now. 

Tue Mar 02 2021 19:02:45 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
When you buy from Amazon, you're buying from HITLER!

 



[#] Wed Mar 03 2021 20:20:46 EST from zooer

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Tue Mar 02 2021 07:02:45 PM EST from IGnatius T Foobar
When you buy from Amazon, you're buying from HITLER!

You are correct, the cancel culture says so!
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56266514
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56266514



[#] Tue Mar 09 2021 12:56:40 EST from Nurb432

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Noticed the blurb about ARM support in latest citadel.

Never thought abut it, but hey IG: if you ever need access to arm machines to test on,  let me know and ill stick a Jetson or something on Guacamole and give you an account. 



[#] Tue Mar 09 2021 13:11:33 EST from Nurb432

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that should have said "latest citadel update"...

I know works already, and i have done it myself, but seeing the update just made me think of this :) 

Tue Mar 09 2021 12:56:40 EST from Nurb432

Noticed the blurb about ARM support in latest citadel.

Never thought abut it, but hey IG: if you ever need access to arm machines to test on,  let me know and ill stick a Jetson or something on Guacamole and give you an account. 



 



[#] Tue Mar 09 2021 14:23:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Never thought abut it, but hey IG: if you ever need access to arm
machines to test on,  let me know and ill stick a Jetson or

Thanks for the offer. I'm good on ARM hardware for now, PD sent me an RPi 3 that I've been using to test those builds.

[#] Tue Mar 09 2021 17:52:58 EST from Nurb432

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Cool, if that ever changes just yell.

Tue Mar 09 2021 14:23:48 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Never thought abut it, but hey IG: if you ever need access to arm
machines to test on,  let me know and ill stick a Jetson or

Thanks for the offer. I'm good on ARM hardware for now, PD sent me an RPi 3 that I've been using to test those builds.

 



[#] Tue Mar 09 2021 18:08:36 EST from Nurb432

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worst case ill ship you a nano or something :)



[#] Wed Mar 10 2021 10:00:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Thanks :)

Linux on ARM is in a weird place right now, because the most common operating system -- Raspberry Pi OS -- is still shipping as a 32-bit OS. We're in that weird space right now where you can ship 32-bit software "to be safe" but all the new machines are 64-bit.

I think x86 has passed that phase, for the most part. Just about everyone is running 64-bit, and we're at the point where it's safe to drop 32-bit support most of the time. I like that. I won't have to build multiple sets of binaries, and I won't have to deal with the Year 2038 problem.

It is interesting to wonder when, or if, 128-bit architectures will appear (not in weird places, but in mainstream tech). A 64-bit architecture can address 16 EB (18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes). That's enough address space to memory-map the largest databases. Obviously we can't say "never" (the worst person in the world famously said "640K ought to be enough for anybody") but if a move to 128-bit doesn't happen in the next 50 years then it's as good as "never" for my purposes.

There's also the small matter of having to deal with 128 address lines and 128 data lines on the bus, but I suppose parallel busses are on their way out, maybe even for RAM at some point.

[#] Wed Mar 10 2021 15:04:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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On a completely different note, I have found myself in a position where I need to spec a computer for a video presentation project. Who here knows their SuperMegaDoomDestroyer video cards?

I need to figure out what kind of video card to put in a machine that is expected to drive video playback on three (3) Full HD (1920x1080) monitors.
I know, that's a lot of power but I'm spending someone else's money :)

[#] Wed Mar 10 2021 16:41:51 EST from Nurb432

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Pretty sure you can get 64bit OS 3rd party, for the PI4 at least.

Wed Mar 10 2021 10:00:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Thanks :)

Linux on ARM is in a weird place right now, because the most common operating system -- Raspberry Pi OS -- is still shipping as a 32-bit OS. We're in that weird space right now where you can ship 32-bit software "to be safe" but all the new machines are 64-bit.

I think x86 has passed that phase, for the most part. Just about everyone is running 64-bit, and we're at the point where it's safe to drop 32-bit support most of the time. I like that. I won't have to build multiple sets of binaries, and I won't have to deal with the Year 2038 problem.

It is interesting to wonder when, or if, 128-bit architectures will appear (not in weird places, but in mainstream tech). A 64-bit architecture can address 16 EB (18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes). That's enough address space to memory-map the largest databases. Obviously we can't say "never" (the worst person in the world famously said "640K ought to be enough for anybody") but if a move to 128-bit doesn't happen in the next 50 years then it's as good as "never" for my purposes.

There's also the small matter of having to deal with 128 address lines and 128 data lines on the bus, but I suppose parallel busses are on their way out, maybe even for RAM at some point.

 



[#] Wed Mar 10 2021 16:42:46 EST from Nurb432

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High end NVIDIA should do that 

Wed Mar 10 2021 15:04:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

On a completely different note, I have found myself in a position where I need to spec a computer for a video presentation project. Who here knows their SuperMegaDoomDestroyer video cards?

I need to figure out what kind of video card to put in a machine that is expected to drive video playback on three (3) Full HD (1920x1080) monitors.
I know, that's a lot of power but I'm spending someone else's money :)

 



[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 13:14:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Pretty sure you can get 64bit OS 3rd party, for the PI4 at least.

You can -- and in fact there is a 64-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS in development, but it seems that they don't plan to release it for a while yet. And that's the problem. As some of you know, I have taken an interest in binary distribution of Linux software using the AppImage format. And you know that my software uses a nonportable on-disk data format that turns into binary sludge if you try to use it on an architecture other than the one that wrote it to disk.

x86 is easy. The move to 64-bit has been completed by just about everyone, and I can easily say "to use this package you have to be on a 64-bit machine, c'mon man, it's the current year". Any cave-dwellers who are still running their production systems on 32-bit (like ME) have to get with the times.

ARM is not so easy, because we're in the beginning stages of the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit. So my choices are:

1. Run my build machine in 32-bit mode, release 32-bit binaries, and force everyone to run them forever
2. Acquire another build machine and run 32-bit and 64-bit builds for the foreseeable future
3. Run my build machine in 64-bit mode, and force users to get on the bleeding edge with beta quality 64-bit OS

I really don't like *any* of those options, especially when I know that five years from now everyone will be running ARM in 64-bit mode. But I want to start publishing binaries now.

[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 13:15:01 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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High end NVIDIA should do that 

I am not a PC gamer. What does that mean?

[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 14:58:49 EST from Nurb432

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its a pi3, right?  ( i assume the 4 does too but not touched a 4 ) Just have 2 SD cards, one for a 32 build and one for a 64. ( even its a 3rd party OS )  Don't need another machine that way.

OR ( people do this for dev work i know )  Take your x86 and run QEMU with 2 ARM VMs..   Then you have instant snapshots if you hose it.  Wont be running Raspbian, but Armbian is pretty standard these days

Thu Mar 11 2021 13:14:44 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Pretty sure you can get 64bit OS 3rd party, for the PI4 at least.

You can -- and in fact there is a 64-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS in development, but it seems that they don't plan to release it for a while yet. And that's the problem. As some of you know, I have taken an interest in binary distribution of Linux software using the AppImage format. And you know that my software uses a nonportable on-disk data format that turns into binary sludge if you try to use it on an architecture other than the one that wrote it to disk.

x86 is easy. The move to 64-bit has been completed by just about everyone, and I can easily say "to use this package you have to be on a 64-bit machine, c'mon man, it's the current year". Any cave-dwellers who are still running their production systems on 32-bit (like ME) have to get with the times.

ARM is not so easy, because we're in the beginning stages of the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit. So my choices are:

1. Run my build machine in 32-bit mode, release 32-bit binaries, and force everyone to run them forever
2. Acquire another build machine and run 32-bit and 64-bit builds for the foreseeable future
3. Run my build machine in 64-bit mode, and force users to get on the bleeding edge with beta quality 64-bit OS

I really don't like *any* of those options, especially when I know that five years from now everyone will be running ARM in 64-bit mode. But I want to start publishing binaries now.

 



[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 15:18:13 EST from Nurb432

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Here are the current cards with approx prices ( and rankings, which you dont care about so much ). Id check budget then check on detail specs of which ever card they can afford. 

 

https://www.cgdirector.com/nvidia-graphics-cards-order-performance/

Thu Mar 11 2021 13:15:01 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
High end NVIDIA should do that 

I am not a PC gamer. What does that mean?

 



[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 17:35:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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OR ( people do this for dev work i know )  Take your x86 and run
QEMU with 2 ARM VMs..   Then you have instant snapshots if you hose
it.  Wont be running Raspbian, but Armbian is pretty standard these
days

You can do that? ARM emulated (slowly) on x86 to a degree that it can compile and run executables that will run on a Raspberry Pi? That would be perfect for an automated build chain, and then I could use my "real" Pi for testing the builds.

[#] Thu Mar 11 2021 18:04:05 EST from Nurb432

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I have not done it so i cant tell you how pull it off from experience, but others have.  I'm not sure if you can emulate things like their GPU or WIFI, and instead ifs going to be generic peripherals i bet, but you dont care about that anyway. 

 

A quick search came up with this, and it seems simple enough.   https://azeria-labs.com/emulate-raspberry-pi-with-qemu/



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