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[#] Mon Jul 01 2024 12:42:50 EDT from Nurb432

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They made a few mistakes. 

Some things were just beyond their imagination:

  • People actually wanting to be in office their entire lives.. it was so distasteful to them that hard term limits never cross their minds.
  • Citizens willingly fighting to give up their rights, not keep them...
  • Allowing SCOTUS to just pass on a case that gets to them..  a mistake in my view. If it got that far, it needs to be ruled on. AND scotus needs some teeth to punish lawmakers who pass clearly unconstitutional laws.
  • While they understood advancements, some of the tech stuff we have today, not even dreamed of..
  • And others too..  
But, they did the best with what they had.
Mon Jul 01 2024 12:19:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
The founding fathers made a mistake by not including something in the Constitution requiring that the President has to actually be a human being. Big Mike is subhuman scum with zero experience. I'd rather see the entire planet nuked into an extinction level event.


[#] Mon Jul 01 2024 12:46:09 EDT from Nurb432

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and speaking of SCOTUS i guess they just reaffirmed a presidents immunity. Should not have needed to be done and those pushing against it should be jailed.

And no, its not 'bla bla trump has immunity' as the media is declaring. No, idiots, it has nothing to do with trump, The Office of The President has it no matter who is sitting in that chair, or how they got there..  next time it could be your guy.. idiots.



ok,. bad mood today. i better logoff.

[#] Tue Jul 02 2024 08:22:10 EDT from Nurb432

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And as expected, Biden says it a bad ruling and Trump does not deserve it, well because Trump...

So, if Presidents don't get protection, when does dipshit get put in prison for the deaths he caused by his failed withdraw from Afghanistan, as his first real action as precedent?  How about Obama for some of the stuff he did? Oh that is right HE gets protection, and his buddy O..  Trump wears the wrong hat.

[#] Wed Jul 03 2024 14:07:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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SCOTUS ruled that a President has immunity for acts committed in the official capacity of the office. So if Obama orders a missile strike on Jerusalem he is immune, but if he stabs Ben Netanyahu on the street corner he is not immune. Someone needs to take him down before he can do either one.

[#] Wed Jul 03 2024 14:12:06 EDT from Nurb432

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He would order a stabbing,  you don't think he would get his hands dirty with commoners blood do you? Or expend energy. 

Wed Jul 03 2024 14:07:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
SCOTUS ruled that a President has immunity for acts committed in the official capacity of the office. So if Obama orders a missile strike on Jerusalem he is immune, but if he stabs Ben Netanyahu on the street corner he is not immune. Someone needs to take him down before he can do either one.


[#] Thu Jul 04 2024 09:44:27 EDT from Nurb432

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"Secret recording of Trump has him using the F-word when speaking about Harris"

Um, and? 


[#] Thu Jul 04 2024 12:01:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's not secret and it's a good description of her.

[#] Thu Jul 04 2024 18:38:56 EDT from Nurb432

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"Biden tells Dem governors he needs more sleep, no events after 8 p.m"

ya, what a freaking train wreck. 

[#] Thu Jul 04 2024 19:43:52 EDT from Nurb432

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"exit polling in UK shows the labor party pushing out conservatives".


I assume this is a bad thing? It sounds like its bad, but i don't pretend to know boo about their political parties. 

[#] Fri Jul 05 2024 09:35:19 EDT from Nurb432

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Ya. So this was admitted, in public:


“Given the president’s concerning performance last week, it’s time for the Biden campaign to consider leveraging artificial intelligence (AI) to effectively reach the voting public,” wrote HuffPo guest columnist Kaivan Shroff, a veteran of Hillary Clinton’s doomed 2016 campaign."

“Joe Biden is old and has had a lifelong stutter,” Shroff writes, invoking an oft-used excuse for Biden’s gaffes and mental misfires. “He acknowledged in a fiery rally following his debate performance: ‘I might not walk as easily or talk as smoothly as I used to.’ This has impeded his ability to communicate with mass audiences with consistent success.”


“AI augmentations and video renderings could serve to smooth out these bumps while allowing the Biden campaign to effectively disseminate true information about the state of our democracy and the Biden administration’s accomplishments. The president has limited time to campaign as he also focuses on running the country, and AI would be a cost-effective and efficient way to communicate his message personally and directly to voters,”

[#] Fri Jul 05 2024 16:35:23 EDT from SouthernComputerGeek

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March 8, 1983

Reverend clergy all, Senator Hawkins, distinguished members of the Florida congressional delegation, and all of you:

I can’t tell you how you have warmed my heart with your welcome. I’m delighted to be here today.

Those of you in the National Association of Evangelicals are known for your spiritual and humanitarian work. And I would be especially remiss if I didn’t discharge right now one personal debt of gratitude. Thank you for your prayers. Nancy and I have felt their presence many times in many ways. And believe me, for us they’ve made all the difference.

The other day in the East Room of the White House at a meeting there, someone asked me whether I was aware of all the people out there who were praying for the President. And I had to say, “Yes, I am. I’ve felt it. I believe in intercessionary prayer.”

But I couldn’t help but say to that questioner after he’d asked the question that – or at least say to them that if sometimes when he was praying he got a busy signal, it was just me in there ahead of him. [Laughter] I think I understand how Abraham Lincoln felt when he said, “I have been driven many times to my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go.”

From the joy and the good feeling of this conference, I go to a political reception. [Laughter] Now, I don’t know why, but that bit of scheduling reminds me of a story – [laughter] – which I’ll share with you.

An evangelical minister and a politician arrived at Heaven’s gate one day together. And St. Peter, after doing all the necessary formalities, took them in hand to show them where their quarters would be. And he took them to a small, single room with a bed, a chair, and a table and said this was for the clergyman. And the politician was a little worried about what might be in store for him. And he couldn’t believe it then when St. Peter stopped in front of a beautiful mansion with lovely grounds, many servants, and told him that these would be his quarters.

And he couldn’t help but ask, he said, “But wait, how – there’s something wrong – how do I get this mansion while that good and holy man only gets a single room?” And St. Peter said, “You have to understand how things are up here. We’ve got thousands and thousands of clergy. You’re the first politician who ever made it.” [Laughter]

But I don’t want to contribute to a stereotype. [Laughter] So, I tell you there are a great many God-fearing, dedicated, noble men and women in public life, present company included. And yes, we need your help to keep us ever mindful of the ideas and the principles that brought us into the public arena in the first place. The basis of those ideals and principles is a commitment to freedom and personal liberty that, itself, is grounded in the much deeper realization that freedom prospers only where the blessings of God are avidly sought and humbly accepted.

The American experiment in democracy rests on this insight. Its discovery was the great triumph of our Founding Fathers, voiced by William Penn when he said, “If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants.”

Explaining the inalienable rights of men, Jefferson said, “The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.”

And it was George Washington who said that “of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

And finally, that shrewdest of all observers of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville, put it eloquently after he had gone on a search for the secret of America’s greatness and genius – and he said, “Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the greatness and the genius of America….America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”

Well, I’m pleased to be here today with you who are keeping America great by keeping her good. Only through your work and prayers and those of millions of others can we hope to survive this perilous century and keep alive this experiment in liberty – this last, best hope of man.

I want you to know that this administration is motivated by a political philosophy that sees the greatness of America in you, her people, and in your families, churches, neighborhoods, communities – the institutions that foster and nourish values like concern for others and respect for the rule of law under God.

Now, I don’t have to tell you that this puts us in opposition to, or at least out of step with, a prevailing attitude of many who have turned to a modern-day secularism, discarding the tried and time-tested values upon which our very civilization is based. No matter how well intentioned, their value system is radically different from that of most Americans. And while they proclaim that they’re freeing us from superstitions of the past, they’ve taken upon themselves the job of superintending us by government rule and regulation. Sometimes their voices are louder than ours, but they are not yet a majority.

An example of that vocal superiority is evident in a controversy now going on in Washington. And since I’m involved, I’ve been waiting to hear from the parents of young America. How far are they willing to go in giving to government their prerogatives as parents?

Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated and deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, sometime ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics have decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.

For some years now, the federal government has helped with funds to subsidize these clinics. In providing for this, the Congress decreed that every effort would be made to maximize parental participation. Nevertheless, the drugs and devices are prescribed without getting parental consent or giving notification after they’ve done so. Girls termed “sexually active” – and that has replaced the word “promiscuous” – are given this help in order to prevent illegitimate birth or abortion.

Well, we have ordered clinics receiving federal funds to notify the parents such help has been given. One of the nation’s leading newspapers has created the term “squeal rule” in editorializing against us for doing this, and we’re being criticized for violating the privacy of young people. A judge has recently granted an injunction against an enforcement of our rule. I’ve watched TV panel shows discuss this issue, seen columnists pontificating on our error, but no one seems to mention morality as playing a part in the subject of sex.

Is all of Judeo-Christian tradition wrong? Are we to believe that something so sacred can be looked upon as a purely physical thing with no potential for emotional and psychological harm? And isn’t it the parents’ right to give counsel and advice to keep their children from making mistakes that may affect their entire lives?

Many of us in government would like to know what parents think about this intrusion in their family by government. We’re going to fight in the courts. The right of parents and the rights of family take precedence over those of Washington-based bureaucrats and social engineers.

But the fight against parental notification is really only one example of many attempts to water down traditional values and even abrogate the original terms of American democracy. Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. When our Founding Fathers passed the First Amendment, they sought to protect churches from government interference. They never intended to construct a wall of hostility between government and the concept of religious belief itself.

The evidence of this permeates our history and our government. The Declaration of Independence mentions the Supreme Being no less than four times. “In God We Trust” is engraved on our coinage. The Supreme Court opens its proceedings with a religious invocation. And the members of Congress open their sessions with a prayer. I just happen to believe the schoolchildren of the United States are entitled to the same privileges as Supreme Court Justices and Congressmen.

Last year, I sent the Congress a constitutional amendment to restore prayer to public schools. Already this session, there’s growing bipartisan support for the amendment, and I am calling on the Congress to act speedily to pass it and to let our children pray.

Perhaps some of you read recently about the Lubbock school case, where a judge actually ruled that it was unconstitutional for a school district to give equal treatment to religious and nonreligious student groups, even when the group meetings were being held during the students’ own time. The First Amendment never intended to require government to discriminate against religious speech.

Senators Denton and Hatfield have proposed legislation in the Congress on the whole question of prohibiting discrimination against religious forms of student speech. Such legislation could go far to restore freedom of religious speech for public school students. And I hope the Congress considers these bills quickly. And with your help, I think it’s possible we could also get the constitutional amendment through the Congress this year.

More than a decade ago, a Supreme Court decision literally wiped off the books of 50 States statutes protecting the rights of unborn children. Abortion on demand now takes the lives of up to one and a half million unborn children a year. Human life legislation ending this tragedy will some day pass the Congress, and you and I must never rest until it does. Unless and until it can be proven that the unborn child is not a living entity, then its right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness must be protected.

You may remember that when abortion on demand began, many, and, indeed, I’m sure many of you, warned that the practice would lead to a decline in respect for human life, that the philosophical premises used to justify abortion on demand would ultimately be used to justify other attacks on the sacredness of human life – infanticide or mercy killing. Tragically enough, those warnings proved all too true. Only last year a court permitted the death by starvation of a handicapped infant.

I have directed the Health and Human Services Department to make clear to every health care facility in the United States that the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 protects all handicapped persons against discrimination based on handicaps, including infants. And we have taken the further step of requiring that each and every recipient of Federal funds who provides health care services to infants must post and keep posted in a conspicuous place a notice stating that “discriminatory failure to feed and care for handicapped infants in this facility is prohibited by Federal law.” It also lists a 24-hour, toll-free number so that nurses and others may report violations in time to save the infant’s life.

In addition, recent legislation introduced in the Congress by Representative Henry Hyde of Illinois not only increases restrictions on publicly financed abortions, it also addresses this whole problem of infanticide. I urge the Congress to begin hearings and to adopt legislation that will protect the right of life to all children, including the disabled or handicapped.

Now, I’m sure that you must get discouraged at times, but you’ve done better than you know, perhaps. There’s a great spiritual awakening in America, a renewal of the traditional values that have been the bedrock of America’s goodness and greatness.

One recent survey by a Washington-based research council concluded that Americans were far more religious than the people of other nations; 95 percent of those surveyed expressed a belief in God and a huge majority believed the Ten Commandments had real meaning in their lives. And another study has found that an overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of adultery, teenage sex, pornography, abortion, and hard drugs. And this same study showed a deep reverence for the importance of family ties and religious belief.

I think the items that we’ve discussed here today must be a key part of the Nation’s political agenda. For the first time the Congress is openly and seriously debating and dealing with the prayer and abortion issues – and that’s enormous progress right there. I repeat: America is in the midst of a spiritual awakening and a moral renewal. And with your Biblical keynote, I say today, “Yes, let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream.”

Now, obviously, much of this new political and social consensus I’ve talked about is based on a positive view of American history, one that takes pride in our country’s accomplishments and record. But we must never forget that no government schemes are going to perfect man. We know that living in this world means dealing with what philosophers would call the phenomenology of evil or, as theologians would put it, the doctrine of sin.

There is sin and evil in the world, and we’re enjoined by Scripture and the Lord Jesus to oppose it with all our might. Our nation, too, has a legacy of evil with which it must deal. The glory of this land has been its capacity for transcending the moral evils of our past. For example, the long struggle of minority citizens for equal rights, once a source of disunity and civil war, is now a point of pride for all Americans. We must never go back. There is no room for racism, anti-Semitism, or other forms of ethnic and racial hatred in this country.

I know that you’ve been horrified, as have I, by the resurgence of some hate groups preaching bigotry and prejudice. Use the mighty voice of your pulpits and the powerful standing of your churches to denounce and isolate these hate groups in our midst. The commandment given us is clear and simple: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”

But whatever sad episodes exist in our past, any objective observer must hold a positive view of American history, a history that has been the story of hopes fulfilled and dreams made into reality. Especially in this century, America has kept alight the torch of freedom, but not just for ourselves but for millions of others around the world.

And this brings me to my final point today. During my first press conference as President, in answer to a direct question, I pointed out that, as good Marxist-Leninists, the Soviet leaders have openly and publicly declared that the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause, which is world revolution. I think I should point out I was only quoting Lenin, their guiding spirit, who said in 1920 that they repudiate all morality that proceeds from supernatural ideas – that’s their name for religion – or ideas that are outside class conceptions. Morality is entirely subordinate to the interests of class war. And everything is moral that is necessary for the annihilation of the old, exploiting social order and for uniting the proletariat.

Well, I think the refusal of many influential people to accept this elementary fact of Soviet doctrine illustrates an historical reluctance to see totalitarian powers for what they are. We saw this phenomenon in the 1930’s. We see it too often today.

This doesn’t mean we should isolate ourselves and refuse to seek an understanding with them. I intend to do everything I can to persuade them of our peaceful intent, to remind them that it was the West that refused to use its nuclear monopoly in the forties and fifties for territorial gain and which now proposes 50-percent cut in strategic ballistic missiles and the elimination of an entire class of land-based, intermediate-range nuclear missiles.

At the same time, however, they must be made to understand we will never compromise our principles and standards. We will never give away our freedom. We will never abandon our belief in God. And we will never stop searching for a genuine peace. But we can assure none of these things America stands for through the so-called nuclear freeze solutions proposed by some.

The truth is that a freeze now would be a very dangerous fraud, for that is merely the illusion of peace. The reality is that we must find peace through strength.

I would agree to a freeze if only we could freeze the Soviets’ global desires. A freeze at current levels of weapons would remove any incentive for the Soviets to negotiate seriously in Geneva and virtually end our chances to achieve the major arms reductions which we have proposed. Instead, they would achieve their objectives through the freeze.

A freeze would reward the Soviet Union for its enormous and unparalleled military buildup. It would prevent the essential and long overdue modernization of United States and allied defenses and would leave our aging forces increasingly vulnerable. And an honest freeze would require extensive prior negotiations on the systems and numbers to be limited and on the measures to ensure effective verification and compliance. And the kind of a freeze that has been suggested would be virtually impossible to verify. Such a major effort would divert us completely from our current negotiations on achieving substantial reductions.

A number of years ago, I heard a young father, a very prominent young man in the entertainment world, addressing a tremendous gathering in California. It was during the time of the Cold War, and communism and our own way of life were very much on people’s minds. And he was speaking to that subject. And suddenly, though, I heard him saying, “I love my little girls more than anything – – ”

And I said to myself, “Oh, no, don’t. You can’t – don’t say that.”

But I had underestimated him. He went on: “I would rather see my little girls die now, still believing in God, than have them grow up under communism and one day die no longer believing in God.”

There were thousands of young people in that audience. They came to their feet with shouts of joy. They had instantly recognized the profound truth in what he had said, with regard to the physical and the soul and what was truly important.

Yes, let us pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness – pray they will discover the joy of knowing God. But until they do, let us be aware that while they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the Earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.

It was C.S. Lewis who, in his unforgettable “Screwtape Letters,” wrote: “The greatest evil is not done now in those sordid ‘dens of crime’ that Dickens loved to paint. It is not even done in concentration camps and labor camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted) in clear, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.”

Well, because these “quiet men” do not “raise their voices”; because they sometimes speak in soothing tones of brotherhood and peace; because, like other dictators before them, they’re always making “their final territorial demand,” some would have us accept them at their word and accommodate ourselves to their aggressive impulses. But if history teaches anything, it teaches that simple-minded appeasement or wishful thinking about our adversaries is folly. It means the betrayal of our past, the squandering of our freedom.

So, I urge you to speak out against those who would place the United States in a position of military and moral inferiority. You know, I’ve always believed that old Screwtape reserved his best efforts for those of you in the church. So, in your discussions of the nuclear freeze proposals, I urge you to beware the temptation of pride – the temptation of blithely declaring yourselves above it all and label both sides equally at fault, to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire, to simply call the arms race a giant misunderstanding and thereby remove yourself from the struggle between right and wrong and good and evil.

I ask you to resist the attempts of those who would have you withhold your support for our efforts, this administration’s efforts, to keep America strong and free, while we negotiate real and verifiable reductions in the world’s nuclear arsenals and one day, with God’s help, their total elimination.

While America’s military strength is important, let me add here that I’ve always maintained that the struggle now going on for the world will never be decided by bombs or rockets, by armies or military might. The real crisis we face today is a spiritual one; at root, it is a test of moral will and faith.

Whittaker Chambers, the man whose own religious conversion made him a witness to one of the terrible traumas of our time, the Hiss-Chambers case, wrote that the crisis of the Western World exists to the degree in which the West is indifferent to God, the degree to which it collaborates in communism’s attempt to make man stand alone without God. And then he said, for Marxism-Leninism is actually the second oldest faith, first proclaimed in the Garden of Eden with the words of temptation, “Ye shall be as gods.”

The Western world can answer this challenge, he wrote, “but only provided that its faith in God and the freedom He enjoins is as great as communism’s faith in Man.”

I believe we shall rise to the challenge. I believe that communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written. I believe this because the source of our strength in the quest for human freedom is not material, but spiritual. And because it knows no limitation, it must terrify and ultimately triumph over those who would enslave their fellow man. For in the words of Isaiah: “He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might He increased strength….But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary….”

Yes, change your world. One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, said, “We have it within our power to begin the world over again.” We can do it, doing together what no one church could do by itself.

God bless you, and thank you very much.

[#] Fri Jul 05 2024 16:41:25 EDT from Nurb432

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FYI - We have a room for posts about the magic octopus.  

[#] Fri Jul 05 2024 17:29:44 EDT from Nurb432

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One guess which party wins there. And i bet with more votes than citizens. "is magic"


"The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that absentee drop boxes can be used ahead of the November election, reversing a previous 2022 ruling and delivering a win for Democrats. "

[#] Sat Jul 06 2024 08:32:41 EDT from Nurb432

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Mailing list im on, for some pet medical related issues, they have a 'general chat' list too. for OT discussions.    This morning: "bla bla words Biden said ( but i still adore him ) bla bla"

While i understand many of the democrat sheep were snowed in the beginning ( and many would vote for Hitler himself just to keep trump out ) and did not look at his clear history of being a pathological liar and scumbag, that anyone can say that honestly at this point in the game, amazes me.




And how the F did typo correct get 'heat' out of 'medcal' ( guess i didn't press the "I" key hard enough )

[#] Sat Jul 06 2024 09:49:36 EDT from Nurb432

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"Faced with a brewing revolt in his party which fears losing the election after the disastrous CNN debate, a heavily made-up Biden refused to take a cognitive test, insisted that he is “running the world” and said that the only thing that would make him quit would be if he were told to do so by “the Lord Almighty.”


Good. I hope he stays in the race.  Everyone knows he cant win, and when they cheat again and re-install him in the chair, everything falls apart and civil war 2 begins.  its time to get this over with and refresh the tree before its too late. Its dying.

[#] Sun Jul 07 2024 10:07:19 EDT from Nurb432

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Here we go again...

"Former Trump Staffer Shares Texts Revealing Secret Payoffs: A new court filing alleges that Donald Trump’s campaign has paid to bury a number of lawsuits over sexual harassment and discrimination."

One source ->



And in related news, Stormy Daniels' "go fund me so i can take my family somewhere safe" is up to $1M now.. Isn't just over 1/2 of that owed to Trump?  And why was nothing done when she announced in court " ill never pay "

[#] Mon Jul 08 2024 16:25:05 EDT from Nurb432

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Media is done with Biden apparently.  Starting to leak more items that demonstrate his senility. Trying to push him out of the race.    I do wonder who they have in mind to replace him. One name that comes up often, is even more scary than him.   Newsom.


And why is it most every Democrat in office looks like a used car salesman. a scumbag. 

[#] Tue Jul 09 2024 18:23:39 EDT from zelgomer

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And why is it most every Democrat in office looks like a used car
salesman. a scumbag. 

You're not wrong, but glass houses. We have Trump, Gaetz, and Chip Roy, just off the top of my head.

[#] Tue Jul 09 2024 18:30:18 EDT from Nurb432

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Oh, not saying Rs are perfect but not *all* of them look like it. 

Gatez, looks like Nixon to me.. Even worse than a used car salesman :) 

I dont think trump looks like a scumbag used car salesman.  His hair is not 'perfect' and doesn't have the skin tone/build.   To me he looks more like the weird old guy down the block everyone talks about but not talk to.

Tue Jul 09 2024 18:23:39 EDT from zelgomer
And why is it most every Democrat in office looks like a used car
salesman. a scumbag. 

You're not wrong, but glass houses. We have Trump, Gaetz, and Chip Roy, just off the top of my head.


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