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[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 01:54:52 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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 I think ill stick with i2p or tor ( or at the least, zeronet ).
Freenet was there before them all and well vetted, but still seems
underutilized, and fairly unknown on the 'outside'.

Are you aware that Uncensored is reachable on the I2P network? At least I think it is ... there was a report that it hasn't worked since the move, but I haven't had a chance to test it because I don't have another machine...

[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 02:02:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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No i dont have a beer gut, wear suspenders, and have a long beard,
but i would fit in with that crowd, i'm just as grumpy :) And my

Hey, I *love* wearing suspenders. They're so damn comfortable. And they're pretty much the only way to get a pair of pants to sit at the proper height without squeezing your stomach -- no matter what size it is.

But anyway, yes, the "year of Linux" came a long time ago. Linux clients outnumber Windows by a long shot when you include mobile, Linux pretty much owns the cloud and supercomputing spaces, it's dominant on servers (no one runs Windows Server anymore except to run Microsoft's own server software -- and those are increasingly moving into Azure anyway). The only space Windows still controls the lion's share is the legacy desktop -- and no one cares about that anymore, not even Microsoft.

*I* use a Linux desktop because it works well for *me*.

Linux vs. Windows desktops are old news. Boring. There are NEW reasons to want to stab Bill Gates in the face with a truck these days, and they have nothing to do with Microsoft's *current* practices.

[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 06:24:02 EST from zooer

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Thu Dec 17 2020 01:54:52 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Are you aware that Uncensored is reachable on the I2P network? At least I think it is ... there was a report that it hasn't worked since the move, but I haven't had a chance to test it because I don't have another machine...

Yet https doesn't work?



[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 10:23:22 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Linux "winning" is kind of like the guy who got the manager position when I left the healthcare company in Ohio, and there were only two IT employees left within 3 months, including him, and the other guy didn't report to him. ;)

The majority of Linux wins has been in places where you can bury the Linux under a pretty interface where the person using the machine never has to see it. Even the IBM XIV was a Linux based machine - but the IT staff that bought the machine was limited to a pretty "Coverflow" style interface to configure and maintain the device - if something serious needed to happen at root down at the Linux - you were expected to call IBM. It was an *appliance* for enterprise IT applications that was remotely managed by the vendor - because Linux is unreasonably time consuming and difficult to administer - and they wouldn't have been able to compete at all if the IT staff were expected to master Linux and the Linux based infrastructure of the XIV - at *any* cost savings compared to EMC SANs (which aren't EASY to administer, themselves).

*nix is very popular with mass audiences, as long as they don't have to see or interact with the *nix part of it.

But yes - Linux does work well for most people in a variety of places in their lives - as long as the Linux is something they never have to deal with.

I'd say Linux is the exception to my complaint about abstraction layers. If it is a Linux based machine - the more layers of abstraction between my experience and the Linux part of it - generally, the better it is. :)

 

Thu Dec 17 2020 02:02:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
No i dont have a beer gut, wear suspenders, and have a long beard,
but i would fit in with that crowd, i'm just as grumpy :) And my

Hey, I *love* wearing suspenders. They're so damn comfortable. And they're pretty much the only way to get a pair of pants to sit at the proper height without squeezing your stomach -- no matter what size it is.

But anyway, yes, the "year of Linux" came a long time ago.
*I* use a Linux desktop because it works well for *me*.


 



[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 10:24:37 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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https works here - it is just a self-signed cert.

Although Firefox reports mine as a self-signed cert, while it reports this one as "unable to determine," and reports a few other issues beyond a self-signed cert.


Thu Dec 17 2020 06:24:02 EST from zooer @ Uncensored

 

Thu Dec 17 2020 01:54:52 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Are you aware that Uncensored is reachable on the I2P network? At least I think it is ... there was a report that it hasn't worked since the move, but I haven't had a chance to test it because I don't have another machine...

Yet https doesn't work?



 



[#] Thu Dec 17 2020 12:11:40 EST from Nurb432

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No, this is the first i have heard of that. Personally i think that is a good thing.

Thu Dec 17 2020 01:54:52 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
 I think ill stick with i2p or tor ( or at the least, zeronet ).
Freenet was there before them all and well vetted, but still seems
underutilized, and fairly unknown on the 'outside'.

Are you aware that Uncensored is reachable on the I2P network? At least I think it is ... there was a report that it hasn't worked since the move, but I haven't had a chance to test it because I don't have another machine...

 



[#] Sat Dec 19 2020 17:22:14 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yet https doesn't work?

Yeah, I know ... I don't want to pay for a certificate and the current WebCit makes it difficult to use Let's Encrypt. WebCit-NG will have certbot support built in. So for now, hold tight and just accept the cert.

[#] Tue Dec 22 2020 09:14:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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No, this is the first i have heard of that. Personally i think that
is a good thing.

Yup. We are on I2P. Here are the tunnels:

Telnet: jyz3ydlospdbscdvztwpzqh3uem4rleynpt3hqpkb7iylkp3teeq.b32.i2p:23
HTTP: mdm5maxlcgzawwe6ir77r6odtypr5mjudyifilryfq73q35irjhq.b32.i2p:80
Cit client: 4as7xryxx55kttc7gzyrgqv7eacfyn6ztcbrbs4pwwcljptukwvq.b32.i2p:504

I recommend installing the Citadel client locally on your own machine because it's way less laggy than telnet.

[#] Tue Dec 22 2020 21:36:27 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Since you mentioned this, I've kept thinking about installing it and checking it out. I just haven't gotten around to it. 

Tue Dec 22 2020 09:14:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
No, this is the first i have heard of that. Personally i think that
is a good thing.

Yup. We are on I2P. Here are the tunnels:

Telnet: jyz3ydlospdbscdvztwpzqh3uem4rleynpt3hqpkb7iylkp3teeq.b32.i2p:23
HTTP: mdm5maxlcgzawwe6ir77r6odtypr5mjudyifilryfq73q35irjhq.b32.i2p:80
Cit client: 4as7xryxx55kttc7gzyrgqv7eacfyn6ztcbrbs4pwwcljptukwvq.b32.i2p:504

I recommend installing the Citadel client locally on your own machine because it's way less laggy than telnet.

 



[#] Wed Dec 23 2020 15:08:01 EST from Nurb432

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Cool. Ill have to do this too over the holidays 



[#] Tue Jan 05 2021 17:10:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Don't look now, but M$ is planning a "sweeping visual rejuvenation" of Windows.
It's going to have, and I quote, "delightful polished experiences".

I think I can speak for every last person on the planet when I say that Windows 10.whatever should just be the Windows 7 UI slapped on top of the Windows 10 kernel and userland. No one, and I mean absolutely no one anywhere, wants to keep dealing with the whole "touch optimized" crap. Windows phones and tablets do not exist in the real world. Optimize the UI for a computer with a keyboard and an upright screen, because that's what 100.000% of Windows users have.

[ https://tinyurl.com/y4bzc2xl ]

(I am using hyperbole because all of it is literally true.)

[#] Tue Jan 05 2021 22:08:06 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think this is your first criticism on Windows I can completely and unreservedly agree with you on, Ig. 

I wish Debian and Ubunto would also give up on interfaces that try and straddle a line between traditional desktop and touchUI enabled devices - and that instead of opening up search and typing in the name of a program ala "OS X", we could just have an menu based application hierarchy like we used to. That was better - and you can really have *both*. 

 

Tue Jan 05 2021 17:10:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

 No one, and I mean absolutely no one anywhere, wants to keep dealing with the whole "touch optimized" crap. 

 



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 08:20:40 EST from Nurb432

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At least with *nix, you have a choice of DE. 

Tue Jan 05 2021 22:08:06 EST from ParanoidDelusions

I think this is your first criticism on Windows I can completely and unreservedly agree with you on, Ig. 

I wish Debian and Ubunto would also give up on interfaces that try and straddle a line between traditional desktop and touchUI enabled devices - and that instead of opening up search and typing in the name of a program ala "OS X", we could just have an menu based application hierarchy like we used to. That was better - and you can really have *both*. 

 

Tue Jan 05 2021 17:10:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

 No one, and I mean absolutely no one anywhere, wants to keep dealing with the whole "touch optimized" crap. 

 



 



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 08:22:31 EST from Nurb432

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I think W2K was the pinnacle for them, both in interface and functionality ( both from user standpoint and a system management standpoint ).  It was a long painful crawl to that point, and has been down hill ever since.

Tue Jan 05 2021 17:10:46 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Don't look now, but M$ is planning a "sweeping visual rejuvenation" of Windows.
It's going to have, and I quote, "delightful polished experiences".

I think I can speak for every last person on the planet when I say that Windows 10.whatever should just be the Windows 7 UI slapped on top of the Windows 10 kernel and userland. No one, and I mean absolutely no one anywhere, wants to keep dealing with the whole "touch optimized" crap. Windows phones and tablets do not exist in the real world. Optimize the UI for a computer with a keyboard and an upright screen, because that's what 100.000% of Windows users have.

[ https://tinyurl.com/y4bzc2xl ]

(I am using hyperbole because all of it is literally true.)

 



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 08:34:22 EST from zooer

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Wed Jan 06 2021 08:22:31 AM EST from Nurb432

I think W2K was the pinnacle for them, 

Win2k PRO



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 10:31:17 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Is it just a switch, or does it take specific configuration? Can I make Gnome look just like it used to, when it was a desktop? 

 

Wed Jan 06 2021 08:20:40 EST from Nurb432

At least with *nix, you have a choice of DE. 

Tue Jan 05 2021 22:08:06 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 

 



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 13:47:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I wish Debian and Ubunto would also give up on interfaces that try
and straddle a line between traditional desktop and touchUI enabled

My daily driver is running KDE. Out of all the mainstream Linux environments they've done the most in returning to the dock-and-menu desktop style. LXDE is also very desktop-native but I built this machine to run the Kdenlive video editor so I figure I'd keep it in its native environment.

Really, though, Microsoft does best when they're not trying to use the Windows desktop as leverage to push other products: Windows 98 and Internet Explorer, Windows 8 and Windows Phone, Windows 10 and Bing/OneDrive/O365, etc. Just give us a desktop and get out of the way.

[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 14:26:54 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Again, I agree. Also, I tried KDE, it was my favorite at one point - but at some point I switched to Gnome - just had too many problems with KDE. Never went back to try again. 

 

Wed Jan 06 2021 13:47:28 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
I wish Debian and Ubunto would also give up on interfaces that try
and straddle a line between traditional desktop and touchUI enabled

My daily driver is running KDE. Out of all the mainstream Linux environments they've done the most in returning to the dock-and-menu desktop style. LXDE is also very desktop-native but I built this machine to run the Kdenlive video editor so I figure I'd keep it in its native environment.

Really, though, Microsoft does best when they're not trying to use the Windows desktop as leverage to push other products: Windows 98 and Internet Explorer, Windows 8 and Windows Phone, Windows 10 and Bing/OneDrive/O365, etc. Just give us a desktop and get out of the way.

 



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 14:36:29 EST from Nurb432

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KDE was one of the first DEs i used ( before it was just window managers ) but as it got bloated and i started using non-KDE apps, it was sort of pointless.  I hear its better now, but people like me wont get any advantage from a 'integrated desktop environment'.  All we need is a stable window manager, with stuff like copy/paste.



[#] Wed Jan 06 2021 14:37:20 EST from Nurb432

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Meant to include these days its LXDE. it does what i need and not a lot of fluff behind the scenes. 

Wed Jan 06 2021 14:36:29 EST from Nurb432

KDE was one of the first DEs i used ( before it was just window managers ) but as it got bloated and i started using non-KDE apps, it was sort of pointless.  I hear its better now, but people like me wont get any advantage from a 'integrated desktop environment'.  All we need is a stable window manager, with stuff like copy/paste.



 



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