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[#] Sun Jul 31 2022 15:05:52 EDT from Nurb432

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While i dont like apple, moving away from X86 is the right thing to do. ( moving away from ppc was a mistake )

I have not heard this about the M2.

Sun Jul 31 2022 12:33:05 PM EDT from reb0

The low spec M2 is worse than the low spec M1. Is it coincidence that the PPC G5 was worse than the G4? I think they should've went with AMD like all the major PCs went since AMD is cheaper than Intel. And not to mention, AMD has a higher performance still. But, it might be a while until AMD gets their chips working good on laptops though...



 



[#] Sun Jul 31 2022 15:34:49 EDT from reb0

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The low spec M2 is worse than the low spec M1. Is it coincidence that the PPC G5 was worse than the G4? I think they should've went with AMD like all the major PCs went since AMD is cheaper than Intel. And not to mention, AMD has a higher performance still. But, it might be a while until AMD gets their chips working good on laptops though...



[#] Sun Jul 31 2022 15:35:48 EDT from reb0

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True.



[#] Wed Aug 03 2022 09:19:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Is there a high spec M2 and how does it compare to an AMD?  I thought the reason Apple changed to a different CPU again was because they didn't want to be impacted by a third party manufacturer.

Apple is unique in that they can get away with doing changes like this at all.



[#] Thu Aug 04 2022 18:41:14 EDT from Nurb432

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Id say it was more about total control than being impacted. Apple is a bunch of power hungry elitist f-ers.  

But ya, id imagine they have more than one level of chip. "M2 pro", or some such stupidly named thing.



[#] Sun Aug 28 2022 11:06:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I guess in a "fabless" world it's less of a big deal than it used to be. They basically just bought a bunch of IP from other companies and threw it together in a configuration that they felt was ideal for the computers they wanted to build.

[#] Sun Aug 28 2022 11:36:05 EDT from Nurb432

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Pretty much.  There are not many left really making chips. 

Sun Aug 28 2022 11:06:39 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I guess in a "fabless" world it's less of a big deal than it used to be. They basically just bought a bunch of IP from other companies and threw it together in a configuration that they felt was ideal for the computers they wanted to build.

 



[#] Tue Aug 30 2022 09:33:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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The idea of the semiconductor industry dividing up into designers and manufacturers sounds efficient to me, and like it would make more sense from a business point of view. I guess we will see what happens. Intel is one of the few left that still insists on being both. (Eventually PD will read this and enlighten us with some more Intel-insider stories.)

[#] Tue Aug 30 2022 16:49:44 EDT from Nurb432

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I think there are advantages to both models. 

When i worked for GM we made our own chips  You are not reliant on anyone else..  



[#] Tue Aug 30 2022 18:01:37 EDT from darknetuser

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2022-08-30 09:33 from IGnatius T Foobar
The idea of the semiconductor industry dividing up into designers and

manufacturers sounds efficient to me, and like it would make more sense

from a business point of view. I guess we will see what happens.
Intel is one of the few left that still insists on being both.
(Eventually PD will read this and enlighten us with some more
Intel-insider stories.)



He will tell us that Intel is a manufacturing company, not a chip company.

[#] Tue Aug 30 2022 18:15:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I thought his latest observation was that Intel is a government contractor.
He'll clarify next time he's here I guess.

[#] Sat Sep 17 2022 07:16:13 EDT from Nurb432

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Hmm so Apple announced they are starting to move away from ARM and towards RISC-V.  First in support components on their SOCs, but later it will be 100% even if they didnt admit it yet.  Wont be tomorow as it takes time, but i bet in 5 years we see one that ditches ARM totally

That didnt take long to make that decision. Figured they would, they get total control then. No license fees, no rules, so they can lock it down as much as they want. Good luck getting drivers, or even running non-approved code.

NVIDIA is next. they already have RISC-V in their GPUs a 'glue'.  And after losing the fight to buy ARM, you know that is where they will go as well.

 

 



[#] Wed Sep 21 2022 14:00:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It is possible that they've hit the peak of what ARM is capable of doing.
Who knows. We do know that the MAC OS can move between different ISAs easily because of the Rosetta translator and Universal Binaries. They seem to have that covered pretty well, actually. Rosetta gets used for a little while but the big software houses all seem to add the new ISA to their universal binaries pretty quickly.

Does apple have a bytecode format they like to use? Something like the Dalvik VM on Android? That's usually the tactic that gets employed when you expect to have computers running a zillion different processors.

[#] Wed Sep 21 2022 17:08:35 EDT from LoanShark

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I think they're quite opposed to bytecode. They've banned most third-party language interpreters (which might use bytecode) from Apple Store. You get JavaScript, that's about it...

[#] Wed Sep 21 2022 18:45:18 EDT from Nurb432

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Nah as there is even more powerful ARM in data centers already.

I think its purely cost and control.  They see the advantages.

Wed Sep 21 2022 02:00:10 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
It is possible that they've hit the peak of what ARM is capable of doing.


[#] Tue Oct 04 2022 16:31:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Meanwhile, the EU has voted overwhelmingly (602 to 13) to mandate USB-C charging ports for all phones, tablets, and cameras starting in 2024, and all laptops starting in 2026. Per the announcement, "headphones and headsets, handheld video game consoles and portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds," and any other device charged with a cable and drawing up to 100 watts will fall under the rule's scope.

Yes, I do think that this is massive government overreach and free countries have no business getting that deeply involved in what privately held electronics companies sell to their customers. On the other hand, HAHA APPLE NEENER NEENER HAHA HAHA. I wonder if they'll be so arrogant that they only sell USB-C in the EU and continue foisting Lightning on their customers in the rest of the world.

Lightning served a purpose but there is no longer any purpose in this connector existing when USB-C does everything just as well: high speed, small, bi-directional, high wattage charging, can be inserted upside down, etc. etc.

[#] Tue Oct 04 2022 16:51:05 EDT from Nurb432

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Putting the evil apple garden aside, i'm not fond of this ruling.  Governments mandating tech. Will end up stifling improvement. 

"We have this wonderful new port, and its an open stand..."  "shut up, usbC"

 

Mandating free adapters in each box, i think i would be ok with. Its not like they dont make enough to toss in a 1 dollar adapter ( their cost )



[#] Tue Oct 04 2022 17:57:53 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Tue Oct 04 2022 16:51:05 EDT from Nurb432

Putting the evil apple garden aside, i'm not fond of this ruling.  Governments mandating tech. Will end up stifling improvement. 

"We have this wonderful new port, and its an open stand..."  "shut up, usbC"

 

Mandating free adapters in each box, i think i would be ok with. Its not like they dont make enough to toss in a 1 dollar adapter ( their cost )



My iPhone 11 shipped with a USB-C cable.  Isn't that enough?  Can the 3.5mm audio/HDMI/DVI/etc... adapters be made for USB-C?  The Lightning port directly exposes a PCIe lane for these various adapters for iPhone.



[#] Tue Oct 04 2022 19:07:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Wasn't that a TV commercial for Samsung at one point? People standing in line for the new iThing, someone mentioned the proprietary plugs and someone else said "...but they make the best adapters!"

As much fun as it is to laugh at Tim Apple, I do agree that this isn't something a government in the free world ought to be meddling with.

[#] Tue Oct 04 2022 19:35:37 EDT from Nurb432

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If that is the case for everyone ( i thought you had to buy them separately, and they charged an arm and a leg, but ill be happy to be wrong ) then ya, that should be plenty.

I know the last macbook i got via work didnt come with a single adapter. Nothing beyond a power brick.. All it has is 4 usbc and a audio jack.. it does not even have HDMI out for a monitor ( or projector.. ), or Ethernet.  Sure, a decent 3rd party hub that supports a power feed is only about 60 bucks, but its the principle of the thing, we spend several K$ on the stupid thing, and they cant even include a cheap hub.. 

Tue Oct 04 2022 05:57:53 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

 

My iPhone 11 shipped with a USB-C cable.  Isn't that enough?  

 



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