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[#] Mon Sep 20 2021 18:07:56 EDT from Nurb432

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Mine had a z80 card, so i could run cp/m too :)



[#] Mon Sep 20 2021 21:42:42 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I was never a fan of the IIgs. Wasn't it an 8/16 bit machine? I'm pretty sure it was - had a crippled bus or something. At the time I owned an Amiga 2000 - and it was a far superior piece of technology. I sold these things too - so I got to play with them all day long. I think I actually had a IIgs for awhile. Not sure if I convinced my boss to let me borrow one, or if I bought it - but I owned *everything* for a little while during this period - it was a cool perk of the job.


And the IIgs - I remember hitting limitations that made me go - This feels like a hopped up Apple IIe - where the Amiga feels like the next generation of computing - not a hopped up C-64.

Matter of fact, I liked the ST far better than the IIgs. The IIgs felt more like the Commodore 128 - a system that *would* have been evolutionary and revolutionary if it had come out a few years earlier (and at a more affordable price point)... but as soon as it hit, the Mac, then the Amiga and ST arrived - and it instantly seemed dated.

 

Mon Sep 20 2021 17:07:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Ironically, the machine that came closest to what you're describing was the Apple IIgs.  What a great machine.  It was superior in every way to the Mac, and handled legacy Apple II software using the "Mega II" which was basically an entire Apple II on a chip.  It was only the hubris of Steve Jobs that killed the IIgs and put the Mac out in front.

Anyway, the missing part of this conversation is that there is no longer a desire for anyone to make a "better computer" because what all the tech companies now want most is recurring revenue.  Build the machines as cheap and disposable as possible, and make everything depend on The Cloud.  Mobile devices are, in fact, now powerful enough that something like Samsung DEX could replace most laptops and no one would notice, but what's probably going to happen is that we'll skip right past that and there will be a remote-desktop program running on a SoC inside your monitor or keyboard, and the desktop will be on a server somewhere, and you pay yet another monthly utility bill for it.

You are correct about one thing: most people don't care, they just want it to work, and they don't mind spending a few dollars to make it someone else's problem.  Then again, most people are morons, and are constantly bombarded by stimuli intended to keep them that way.



 



[#] Tue Sep 21 2021 14:30:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I owned an Amiga 1000 during that time period. There is no doubt, the Amiga was light years ahead of everything else available at the time. But I was not comparing the IIgs to an Amiga, I was comparing it to the Macintosh. The IIgs was superior to the Mac in every way. And to run the existing software catalog, it had a tiny version of the old platform implemented on a single chip, which today would almost certainly be an FPGA.

Compared to the IIgs, the Mac had a smaller memory capacity (4 MB vs. 8 MB), superior graphics hardware, 32 voice sound compared to the Mac's 1 voice, and a CPU that could run faster than the Mac, but Steve Pancreas deliberately crippled it because the Mac was coming out.

Basically, the only reason Mac exists today is because Steve Pancreas was making a dickhead power move inside Apple at the time, and the Mac was his pet project. The IIgs had it all -- expandability, backward compatibility, networking, a color display -- and Steve screwed it all up.

[#] Tue Sep 21 2021 18:51:30 EDT from Nurb432

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well, installing anything other than OSX on this new macbook is turning out to be a real bitch.   The last 2 i had, basically installed like any other intel machine. 



[#] Tue Sep 21 2021 18:51:55 EDT from Nurb432

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Except the Atari. 

 

:) 

Tue Sep 21 2021 02:30:29 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I owned an Amiga 1000 during that time period. There is no doubt, the Amiga was light years ahead of everything else available at the time. 

 



[#] Tue Sep 21 2021 18:54:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well yes, the Atari 2600 had a vast library of software that couldn't be beat, but I already owned one of those.

[#] Tue Sep 21 2021 18:57:18 EDT from Nurb432

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lol



[#] Fri Sep 24 2021 10:55:07 EDT from Nurb432

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So other than everything else pissing me off on this freaking macbook. i got pissed, closed it and slid it across the desk. It vibrates.  wtf, it vibrates?

looked it up:   "The power adapters does not have an additional electrical grounding line, hence it feels in your fingers as the MacBook vibrates if touched while charging. This is a normal consequence of how the power adapter is designed."

This is considered an acceptable consequence? wtf apple... 



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 15:38:31 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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It depends. The ST actually ran slightly faster than the Amiga so it was better at games that used 3D polygons. But it didn't have the custom graphic chipset, so it couldn't handle side-scrolling multiplanes or as many colors as the Amiga. It was, of course, the era of the side-scrolling platformer. 

 

That means that if you play something like "Elite" on the ST, you'll feel that the ST is better. If you play something like Great Giana Sisters on the the ST vs. the Amiga, you'll come to appreciate just how much more powerful the Amiga hardware is. The entire game has to pause at the edge of each screen as the next screen scrolls onto the display on the ST. It is *ridiculous*. Even the C=64 managed this better on their port. 

TOS/GEM was a limited, crippled OS. No actual CLI - much like a Mac - the guts of the ST OS are hidden to the user, even the power user. AmigaOS and Workbench were the foundation on which every commercial GUI/CLI OS after were modeled after. 

The Amiga had far superior sound capabilities. The ST found a niche in the music industry because of its built in Midi. 

And of course, graphics were no real contest. Video titling and editing were not real contest. It took a long time for the PC and Mac to catch up enough to displace the Amiga's stronghold in video production and cable television. 






Tue Sep 21 2021 18:51:55 EDT from Nurb432

Except the Atari. 

 

:) 

Tue Sep 21 2021 02:30:29 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I owned an Amiga 1000 during that time period. There is no doubt, the Amiga was light years ahead of everything else available at the time. 

 



 



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 15:39:20 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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The new Macbooks shock you? 

 

Fri Sep 24 2021 10:55:07 EDT from Nurb432

So other than everything else pissing me off on this freaking macbook. i got pissed, closed it and slid it across the desk. It vibrates.  wtf, it vibrates?

looked it up:   "The power adapters does not have an additional electrical grounding line, hence it feels in your fingers as the MacBook vibrates if touched while charging. This is a normal consequence of how the power adapter is designed."

This is considered an acceptable consequence? wtf apple... 



 



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 15:57:27 EDT from Nurb432

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games. phfft 

 

:)



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 16:05:52 EDT from Nurb432

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Its sort of like a tens unit with real low voltage. Not a 'traditional shock' but you can feel it.

 

Tue Sep 28 2021 03:39:20 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The new Macbooks shock you? 

 

 

 



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 16:13:12 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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It isn't a SHOCK, so much as ungrounded voltage being conducted through your body. ;) 

 

Tue Sep 28 2021 16:05:52 EDT from Nurb432

Its sort of like a tens unit with real low voltage. Not a 'traditional shock' but you can feel it.

 

Tue Sep 28 2021 03:39:20 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The new Macbooks shock you? 

 

 

 



 



[#] Tue Sep 28 2021 16:34:10 EDT from Nurb432

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and its damned distracting when you are resting your palms on it and trying to type.



[#] Wed Sep 29 2021 14:44:21 EDT from Nurb432

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So my new personal laptop just arrived ( its a clone of a lonovo flip thing ).   That damned thing does the same thing if you touch the top and bottom of the case, ( but not the keyboard where you rest your palms )..   i guess it 'a thing' now?



[#] Mon Oct 04 2021 00:33:09 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I mean, one would expect this with off brand Chinesium stuff. But, Apple? 

 



[#] Mon Oct 04 2021 06:56:12 EDT from Nurb432

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I have heard of other people with other name brands too..   Its just that everyone is now using the case as part of a psedo-ground i guess. Not sure if its some regulatory thing or they are doing it for noise or whatever.   

I did just think about it however, that both my older macbooks ( well, one mine one shop ) have multiple pins in the connector... so while they are metal, i guess things are different there. All my other devices have been plastic case.

 

Mon Oct 04 2021 12:33:09 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

I mean, one would expect this with off brand Chinesium stuff. But, Apple? 

 



 



[#] Fri Oct 08 2021 16:41:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I don't get it. Any appliance with a metal housing *must* be grounded or it doesn't get UL listed. Bonding the case to ground is the exact reason why the ground conductor exists at all. Is it really giving you a mild electric shock and they claim it's working as intended?

[#] Fri Oct 08 2021 17:12:48 EDT from Nurb432

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Yup.

With a 2 prong plug on apple chargers, no way for them to be grounded really.

I assume the china one i got was not UL, but clearly its not uncommon now.  *shrug*.  I swapped the PS that came with it ( 2 prong, with barrel plug ) with a 3 prong USB C charger ( 20 volt.. news to me ) and it still did it. 

Fri Oct 08 2021 04:41:42 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I don't get it. Any appliance with a metal housing *must* be grounded or it doesn't get UL listed. Bonding the case to ground is the exact reason why the ground conductor exists at all. Is it really giving you a mild electric shock and they claim it's working as intended?

 



[#] Fri Oct 08 2021 17:24:02 EDT from Nurb432

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"To fix, buy a grounded adapter".  ( which didnt work in the case of my china-book )

It also isn't just in the area that it shows, its the entire case, top and bottom.   The top is how i noticed it. 

https://miapple.me/fix-macbook-micro-vibrations-while-charging-due-to-insufficient-grounding/



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