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Not been following details to closely, but looks like Reddit committed suicide. ( and of course twitter is in the process, from another thread )
Usenet too. alt.porn.images ( kidding on porn, but you get the idea )
The entire purpose of the Internet is to deliver pictures of cats.
Or porn, depending on who you ask. Either way the Internet is for pussy.
2023-07-04 14:06 from Nurb432
Not been following details to closely, but looks like Reddit
committed suicide. ( and of course twitter is in the process, from
another thread )
What I have heard is they want to turn their API into a paid service, so they are killing 3rd party integration, and that is pissing people off.
The internet of ads is dying. I don't think most advertising platforms are profitable anymore (say Twitter, Reddit, and even Youtube). That is why they are pressing so hard in order to squeeze the last dimes: because they have operational problems and need every dime they get.
And they are self-destructing in the process.
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The only fear i have if all internet ad revenue effectively dies, is it then becomes walled gardens and you have to pay to do anything. And some of the big ones vanish that has contributed good things ( and bad, i dont pretend they are perfect but were their good influences cant be ignored. and never been possible without the huge revenues gained from marketing ). Gotta pay bills and make a profit or things stagnate. Why bother ?
Looks at may news papers now, 'you get one free look this month, now pay up'. Several tech sites are doing it now too. Its a trend.
Roll back the flood so its not overwhelming, but perhaps not kill the goose totally. ( just a silver egg, not golden )
2023-07-15 12:55 from Nurb432
The only fear i have if all internet ad revenue effectively dies, is
it then becomes walled gardens and you have to pay to do anything.
And some of the big ones vanish that has contributed good things (
and bad, i dont pretend they are perfect but were their good
influences cant be ignored. and never been possible without the huge
revenues gained from marketing ). Gotta pay bills and make a profit
or things stagnate. Why bother ?
Looks at may news papers now, 'you get one free look this month, now
pay up'. Several tech sites are doing it now too. Its a trend.
Roll back the flood so its not overwhelming, but perhaps not kill the
goose totally. ( just a silver egg, not golden )
Back in the old days, at least as far as I am aware, your ISP provided the basics.
Your ISP ran an Usenet server for subscribers, and possibly an email service, because messaging and document distribution were understood to be the reason why you got on the Internet. You paid for those things with your subscription.
I think the rational thing to do if the ad-revenue business model crashed would be for ISP to create federated protocols for common services (file distribution, mobile messaging etc) and include them in your Internet subscription.
I know of ISP that included premium social media in their ISP offers.
Now, regarding content generation, I think getting back to a model in which you need to pay to read would be a bit of an improvement. Seriously: articles written to be published under subscription get more work poured on them than cheap listicles designed to generate ad clicks.
Personally, If i have to pay to get to content ( other than my time.. ) i wont be getting "content" for the most part. its all crap and biased. Not going to subscribe.
My fear tho is even tech related forums will vanish off the free market too. Even just going to debian.org to get a new iso will = cash.
2023-07-15 14:35 from Nurb432
Personally, If i have to pay to get to content ( other than my time..
) i wont be getting "content" for the most part. its all crap and
biased. Not going to subscribe.
My fear tho is even tech related forums will vanish off the free
market too. Even just going to debian.org to get a new iso will =
cash.
That is a bit of the problem: ad revenue models have gotten people used to the fact things are for free.
Meanwhile I am spending my weekend reproducing a tutorial in a lab to ensure the tutorial will be reproductible and the people I wrote it for won't get complaints from their customers because something does not work.
The Internet has made it so the market is overflooded with stuff which is not worth a look. This is bad in itself, but it also has devalued stuff worth paying for.
When I was a kid, if you got a music tape you got happy as heck and listened it day and night, because it was one of the three tapes you had. Nowadays you give an awesome album to somebody and he does not care because he had a hundred albums he can listen to from the Internet or from his warez folder.
I really never had that problem when i was younger, most fo the stuff i listened to, was coming out at the same time. so i was able to buy it as it did. And did. ( books, movies too ). Still do. Someone has to pay to feed the artist. But i agree its far easier now than it was in the old days, were some groups would pool their money, buy records they all liked, then shared tapes of them...
tho i fully admit to downloading things to preview. i like odd things, and there is a good chance its crap. In the old days, unless you got lucky and someone had it in your circle, you risked your $ each time. There was no 'extended groups' like you have now, and it was all local. ( and all we had was goldmine magazine to see what we were missing out on.. and order from )
I think the rational thing to do if the ad-revenue business model
crashed would be for ISP to create federated protocols for common
services (file distribution, mobile messaging etc) and include them in
your Internet subscription.
Could never happen, at least not in the US. Here, ISPs are the scum of the earth. And they do still come with email, sometimes (maybe not anymore) even web hosting, but it's so bad the only people you'll ever find with ISP email addresses are grandmas. Plus, and surely in part because of the aforementioned scum of the earth, I think most people want their contact decoupled from their ISP so that you can easily change providers.
at this point, my isp is just a wire. so is my cell company. I cant even tell you what my 'real' number is unless i go look it up. i just use VoIP and have for a LONG time. Now, moving my hosting services would be a bitch. but ISP, zero issue other than updating some A records that point to my house.. ( that said i wont self host email anymore. to much hassle and too easy to get black listed so still need some level of hosting )
I have a friend that still has an AOL account...
Looks at may news papers now, 'you get one free look this month, now
pay up'. Several tech sites are doing it now too. Its a trend.
That scheme is easily defeated by blocking cookies so they can't taint you as a previous viewer.
In any case, I say let them die. The democratic internet flourished before the ad-supported and subscription-supported services took over everything.
There are still people out there (ahem) running worthwhile sites at their own expense simply for the love of the craft.
I have seen a few block you if cookies are blocked. ( local news paper does that )
And sure not 100% will die. but if 99.9% do, it will not be a good thing.
Mon Jul 17 2023 09:16:14 AM EDT from IGnatius T FoobarLooks at may news papers now, 'you get one free look this month, now
pay up'. Several tech sites are doing it now too. Its a trend.
That scheme is easily defeated by blocking cookies so they can't taint you as a previous viewer.
In any case, I say let them die. The democratic internet flourished before the ad-supported and subscription-supported services took over everything.
There are still people out there (ahem) running worthwhile sites at their own expense simply for the love of the craft.
Dunno if anyone was paying attention when this happened earlier in the year:
[ https://webkit.org/blog/13878/web-push-for-web-apps-on-ios-and-ipados/ ]
FruitCo has finally brought support for "progressive web apps" to the Macintosh, iPhone, and iPad. Web apps can be added to the home screen, and they can send push notifications. This means that for the first time ever, it is possible for many software publishers to escape the "app" ecosystems without sacrificing functionality.
This is kind of a big deal.
Naah, it was a decade and a half ago and web browsers couldn't handle a lot of the things they can today. Plus the idea of an app ecosystem was already the prevailing model because the previously dominant mobile computer was the Palm Pilot.
Apple came up with the idea of turning the app ecosystem into a gigantic toll booth, though.
I do remember them pushing the browser stuff at first, which is why i thought it was cool, a far different concept than Palm or BlackBerry was pushing. Then the store happened.. then it all fell apart.
[ https://world.hey.com/dhh/happiness-is-never-having-to-ask-for-permission-20962d41 ]
"But itbs hard for people to imagine what they donbt have. Hard to mourn all the innovative applications that donbt exist because the business model wouldnbt work with a 30% tax. Hard to sympathize with all the entrepreneurs who gave up on making apps because it was just too frustrating to deal with the app store bureaucracies."
"Thatbs just reality. We have to accept that, and then have we to find a way to route around the damage. Thatbs what the internet does so very well. It treats gatekeepers as a bug and finds a way around them. Whether it be censorship or monopolies."