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[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 07:01:45 EST from Nurb432

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Yep.

You had the same impression i got :) 

Mon Jan 29 2024 19:04:49 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
David the 8-bit Guy? I've seen his videos including a few like that. Barely keeping the heat on for 24 hours until the batteries run out doesn't sound like "surviving" to me. Sorry dude, but if you want to "survive" you need to have a generator in the mix.

 



[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 12:47:43 EST from darknetuser

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2024-01-29 19:04 from IGnatius T Foobar
David the 8-bit Guy? I've seen his videos including a few like that.

Barely keeping the heat on for 24 hours until the batteries run out

doesn't sound like "surviving" to me. Sorry dude, but if you want to

"survive" you need to have a generator in the mix.



I have issue with people trying to use photovoltaic for home heating.


You can pull it off if you live in a sunny location, have a big battery bank, and only depend on it when it is not that cold outside. Ie. here I won't bother turning the regular heating systems on in early spring or late fall because I can use an electric heater for short brusts of time without depleting the battery banks.

When you need to go deep into winter, that stuff is gonna fall short, period.


IMO it is just wiser to assume power supply is not guaranteed and stockpile wood and horse poo. If you have that, you have house heating, hot water for cleaning yourself, and a cooking method. It is tood bad you can't make the freezer run on wood alone (there are freezers that use bottled gas, though), but I tend to can my food production rather than freeze it precisely for that reason.

[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 13:32:03 EST from Nurb432

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In my case, with a gas furnace ( and stove and water heater )  all i really need to do is run the fan.   At least until the natural gas runs out. Then its a propane heater...

So far, every outage i have had, has been power lines. So the gas kept flowing to keep you warm and cook food.  Even the tornadoes we have had here a couple of times, it was all 'above ground' damage so if your house was still standing, you had gas. My parents house however, was 100% electric so there was nothing for a good week after that storm, but it was not cold out. 

My generator also runs on natural gas and propane so i can keep the batteries charged if i cant get 'wet gas'. 

Plus solar.. 

 



[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 13:37:48 EST from darknetuser

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My generator also runs on natural gas and propane so i can keep the
batteries charged if i cant get 'wet gas'. 


I didn't use to think natural/propane gas generators were popular, but a quick search shows they are more popular than I thought.

I can see the advantages in 'murica, where everybody uses gas. Here I prefer my diesel generator. You can stockpile a single reserve of diesel and use it for home heating, the trucks and the generator at your discrection.

[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 15:02:01 EST from Nurb432

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I think most cities are electric. Most new suburbs/developments/apartments/etc are 100% electric around here ( which will end up hosing our grid at the rate they are being built ). Only reason we are gas here is we used to be more rural, and transitioned from heating oil to gas, before electric was 'it'. Some houses around here did the next conversion to electric.  They tried to get me to do it when i had to get mine replaced. "no thanks". Eventually i see it mandated "no more new gas and if we repair, it has to be replaced", which will be bogus. So may not be as much as it may seem.

But, we do have a plethora of propane suppliers, so for us that makes more sense for a home backup generator than diesel.   Lots of kerosene outlets too. 

The stuff that people get installed in their homes  and businesses as backup, not portable like i have, i suspect are either natural gas or diesel.  Perhaps depending on size.

Tue Jan 30 2024 13:37:48 EST from darknetuser
My generator also runs on natural gas and propane so i can keep the
batteries charged if i cant get 'wet gas'. 


I didn't use to think natural/propane gas generators were popular, but a quick search shows they are more popular than I thought.

I can see the advantages in 'murica, where everybody uses gas. Here I prefer my diesel generator. You can stockpile a single reserve of diesel and use it for home heating, the trucks and the generator at your discrection.

 



[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 15:16:01 EST from darknetuser

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The stuff that people get installed in their homes  and businesses
as backup, not portable like i have, i suspect are either natural gas

or diesel.  Perhaps depending on size.

I am browsing some catalog and I think you are correct.

Mine is portable, for a very flexible definition of "portable". It has wheels but you need two people to move it.

[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 16:17:18 EST from Nurb432

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Ya without wheels it takes 2 for mine. With wheels, one can drag it around the yard, but lifting into a truck.. i dont think so.

But its tucked away in the back yard in a plastic house. If i need it i just open the doors and roof and let it run there. 

Tue Jan 30 2024 15:16:01 EST from darknetuser
Mine is portable, for a very flexible definition of "portable". It has wheels but you need two people to move it.

 



[#] Tue Jan 30 2024 19:15:31 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I can see the advantages in 'murica, where everybody uses gas. Here I

prefer my diesel generator. You can stockpile a single reserve of
diesel and use it for home heating, the trucks and the generator at
your discrection.

That was my reasoning when I bought my diesel generator. The house I lived in at the time had oil heat, so I figured as long as my heating oil was clean enough I could also use it in the generator. Our power was out for about a week after We-Don't-Call-It-A-Hurricane-For-Insurance-Reasons Sandy in 2012, and we were up and running just fine.

In the 1960s there was a push for all-electric homes because nuclear generation was going to make electricity so cheap that it would eventually be unmetered.
And we would have gotten there too if it weren't for those meddling kids.
Today's push for all-electric homes is driven by the imagination that the electricity could potentially be generated by unicorn flatulence, but on the realistic side it's also more practical than it used to be because heat pumps are so damn efficient. We do need to address the strain on the grid, though.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 02:57:00 EST from darknetuser

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But its tucked away in the back yard in a plastic house. If i need it
i just open the doors and roof and let it run there. 

That sounds very similar to my setup, except my house is made of concrete and has isolated walls. Otherwise, condensation in cold months would rust the hell out of everything stored there.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 07:32:20 EST from Nurb432

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Mine has enough air flow to help with that. Its just big enough to store the device + the cables, not huge or anything. And since its 100% outside, its whatever temp the air is.  

My actual garage has that problem in the summer tho.   Often times ill open the doors and have a small fan going. 

Wed Jan 31 2024 02:57:00 EST from darknetuser
But its tucked away in the back yard in a plastic house. If i need it
i just open the doors and roof and let it run there. 

That sounds very similar to my setup, except my house is made of concrete and has isolated walls. Otherwise, condensation in cold months would rust the hell out of everything stored there.

 



[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 14:24:12 EST from Nurb432

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Full lunar eclipse this spring.  Just learned many schools here are closing. "its dangerous to look at the sun during an eclipse" .  So their answer is to close the school for the day.

 

And people wonder why an entire generation are a bunch of crybabies, and the next, will be even worse.



[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 16:43:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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That's a dumb reason to close the schools. But we already know that school makes people stupid.

As for me and my family, we've got hotel reservations upstate and we're going to have a great time. We've already got "the glasses".

[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 17:17:09 EST from Nurb432

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Ya if they said 'we are concerned about additional traffic in the area, bla bla id at least say 'ok, silly, but at least its legit'

Not to start a 'get off my lawn' moment but when i was in school we stood in a foot of snow at 10 degrees waiting on the bus and didnt even think twice about it. These days, if its going to rain, they delay the start of classes. And if out on the playground the class bully punches you, you kicked him in the nuts and he didnt do it again, you didnt go off to cry to your therapist.   Well in my case he pushed my books out of my arms so spun around, kicked the inside of his ankle with my heel, ( i wore hiking boots so even more effective.. ) to get him off balance, then shoved his face into a locker, broke his nose. And he didnt run off to cry either. just instant respect from him and his 'buddies' for the next 3 years ( middle school )

Wed Jan 31 2024 16:43:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
That's a dumb reason to close the schools. But we already know that school makes people stupid.

As for me and my family, we've got hotel reservations upstate and we're going to have a great time. We've already got "the glasses".

 



[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 18:27:33 EST from darknetuser

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2024-01-31 07:32 from Nurb432
Mine has enough air flow to help with that. Its just big enough to
store the device + the cables, not huge or anything. And since its
100% outside, its whatever temp the air is.  

My actual garage has that problem in the summer tho.   Often times

ill open the doors and have a small fan going. 

I have heating set up in mine just because it can get so cold that you wouldn't stop condensation from airflow alone.

The fact there is so much vegetation around, making the air humid, does not help. Horses like it, though.

[#] Wed Jan 31 2024 18:33:41 EST from darknetuser

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Not to start a 'get off my lawn' moment but when i was in school we
stood in a foot of snow at 10 degrees waiting on the bus and didnt
even think twice about it. These days, if its going to rain, they
delay the start of classes. And if out on the playground the class
bully punches you, you kicked him in the nuts and he didnt do it
again, you didnt go off to cry to your therapist.   Well in my case

he pushed my books out of my arms so spun around, kicked the inside
of his ankle with my heel, ( i wore hiking boots so even more
effective.. ) to get him off balance, then shoved his face into a
locker, broke his nose. And he didnt run off to cry either. just
instant respect from him and his 'buddies' for the next 3 years (
middle school )

In my days, if they bullied you and you broke their face, they would run crying to the teacher and you would get punish for defending yourself. And then they would come back after you trying to bully you again.

Eventually you would become a darknet psycho who hated everybody and everything Homo "Sapiens" and people would wonder why you had become such an eccentric, dangerous individual.

[#] Thu Feb 01 2024 14:25:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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In my days, if they bullied you and you broke their face, they would

run crying to the teacher and you would get punish for defending
yourself. And then they would come back after you trying to bully you

again.

That sounds a lot like the criminal justice system in a lot of places now.
An armed thug comes into your house, you blow his head off, and you get convicted of murder because the thug might have had a passing thought about fleeing.

[#] Fri Feb 02 2024 10:11:42 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Happy Groundhog Day! Punxsutawney Phil (the only groundhog who matters) did not see his shadow and predicts an early Spring.

[#] Fri Feb 02 2024 10:38:54 EST from Nurb432

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50s here..  another year with almost no snow :(

Fri Feb 02 2024 10:11:42 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Happy Groundhog Day! Punxsutawney Phil (the only groundhog who matters) did not see his shadow and predicts an early Spring.

 



[#] Fri Feb 02 2024 17:08:09 EST from darknetuser

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That sounds a lot like the criminal justice system in a lot of places

now.
An armed thug comes into your house, you blow his head off, and you
get convicted of murder because the thug might have had a passing
thought about fleeing.


The criminal system is that way because my generation is that way.

[#] Tue Feb 06 2024 08:48:26 EST from Nurb432

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Checking out local news today.. 

Indy. ( everyone knows that i live not too far from there there by now :) )   

  • I guess they have had to cut off mail service due to people attacking postal workers in one "block" on the south side.  Same area i had some Mexican gang members screw with me, out on the road at a stop light perhaps 3 years ago.. They almost didnt go home that day.  I used to live near there in the 80s..  such a different world
  • At least 50 cars spray panted in a downtown garage Friday afternoon.  We are debating at the office if it was OUR garage..  and we were never told. ( sure seems like it )
  • Fentanyl is out of control city wide
  • People being beat to death with 2x4's downtown
  • Packs of dogs literally eating people.. ( latest was some old guy that was out in his front yard getting his mail or something )
  • Homeless *everywhere* ( had one die in our garage last fall )
  • Daily 'street takeovers' ( where gangs turn city streets into a car party and do donuts, block traffic, set off fireworks, etc )
  • General crime. Filth.  Many downtown businesses never bothered to reopen after the riots of 2020 since its been going down hill for a decade or 2,
Strangely enough right after the current democrat mayor was elected.

I could go into the destruction of every last bit of land in the entire area for pavement/house/store/warehouse/whatever, but that is a personal beef not a 'crime and decay' thing, tho mass population/migration does breed it.. Out with the dog at the park, just saw one more plot of farmland get the 'rezone' sign down the street.  I suspect part of the the park is gone by end of year at this rate. Near me they just put up 1000+ apartments, and that many houses and are still building. .. i need OUT..  before we fall as well. crime is slowly bleeding out into the sounding counties. To the point even our grocery now has an armed guard.     ( ok rant part over .. )






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