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[#] Tue Oct 03 2017 18:10:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Ooooh, I like that.  I didn't know Xrdp had matured to the point where it was usable and well-maintained.  Getting VNC out of the mix would be a win.

Ideally, an X11 backend for guacd would be the "perfect" solution, but /me does not have the time or inclination to write one.  Maybe someone will.



[#] Wed Oct 04 2017 03:56:03 EDT from fleeb

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Next battle.... which distribution of linux?

[#] Wed Oct 04 2017 03:59:03 EDT from fleeb

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My guess is that someone would have to figure out how to translate all the HTML5 graphics commands to the X11 protocol.

I figure if people did this for vnc & xrdp, it probably isn't too much of a stretch to do this for x11.

(By 'HTML5 graphics commands', I refer to the JavaScript commands that drive HTML5 graphics on a browser... they are remarkably robust).

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 10:05:30 EDT from LoanShark

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Not so much - docker is sorta making "distribution" into an almost irrelevant concept.

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 10:12:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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The guacamole front end speaks to "guacd" using the same screen protocol regardless of what back end guacd is using. I'm guessing the guacd protocol probably tracks the HTML5 graphics commands pretty closely. But it is designed to be extensible, as in, a new back end doesn't have to learn how to speak to the browser; it only needs to plug in to guacd.

Or if they ever get around to replacing X11 with "Wayland" they can just write a Wayland compositor that speaks guacd protocol.

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 13:53:05 EDT from fleeb

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Heh... 'docker-os'...

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 13:53:59 EDT from fleeb

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Then it's more X11-to-guacd than anything else.

[#] Thu Oct 05 2017 14:31:08 EDT from LoanShark

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That's basically CoreOS - lightweight system designed to run docker containers and not much else

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 00:24:10 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Easy to install, no dependency hell, portable across distributions ... what's not to like?

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 00:27:02 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Gotta tellya though, I tried out Xrdp and it's REALLY good. It's way better than Xvnc, and works really nicely with Guacamole. The screen always sizes properly to the viewer's screen (or in this case browser) dimensions, and it's a lot easier to set up session persistence in a multiuser environment.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 09:43:53 EDT from LoanShark

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What's not to like is that community docker images tend to be lazily maintained, unpatched, etc.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 10:45:53 EDT from kc5tja

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And they're hard to make, thus higher barrier to entry to contribute to the ecosystem. JCL is easier to understand than most Dockerfiles for "real world" applications (IMO, of course).

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 11:22:38 EDT from LoanShark

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Yeah, if I'm doing the image building (which I am not), I'm going to be starting from a ubuntu-inside-docker type image, and doing it that way, so I'll know I have a pathway towards patching etc.

One of my issues is that we have already built a non-docker cloud infrastructure based on AMI's and RightScale. Some new guys think that's not "cool" enough, so it's getting rewritten as Docker.

I have zero interest in rewriting years of my own (and others') hard work because some jackass doesn't think it's buzzword-compliant enough. So I'll let the new guys do it, and if they screw up, it'll be like "don't say I didn't warn you."

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 12:20:01 EDT from fleeb

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Heh... we were the young ones before.

We pushed the newer things. Some of them stuck. Some of them didn't.

Later, they'll echo our words, with superficial variation.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 12:21:47 EDT from fleeb

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Oh, yeah, all of that is absolutely true.

Although, the sizing isn't exactly dynamic-dynamic. The initial settings are dynamic, then you have to relog to get new settings.

But, tap F11 before going into the desktop, and it'll be full-screen.

[#] Fri Oct 06 2017 16:40:18 EDT from Ragnar Danneskjold

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I was recently working on a system built by the young guys. Docker on one system Kubernetes on another. Ansible playbooks that have most but not all of what they need.

A hodge-podge of crap.

[#] Sun Oct 08 2017 14:24:38 EDT from bennabiy

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I would say that the ZFS and Zones would be two which still shine in Illumos / solaris for a production environment. ZFS on Linux is getting ground, but still not quite as stable as ZFS in Solari(sh) types. Zones vs Containers, I would say zones are much better on security as compared to containers, but perhaps things have gotten better... Also, Crossbow networking still blows away linux....

Fri Sep 29 2017 09:35:25 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Aside from running software that was built to run on Solaris, what are the advantages Solaris has these days over Linux? ZFS, DTrace, Containers? Linux has equivalents of all of those now.

 



[#] Mon Oct 09 2017 12:05:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I was recently working on a system built by the young guys. Docker on one system Kubernetes on another. Ansible playbooks that have most but not all of what they need.
A hodge-podge of crap. 

What you think is irrelevant.  Whether the system works is irrelevant.  The only thing that matters is that someone got to put Docker, Kubernetes, and Ansible on their resume.



[#] Mon Oct 09 2017 15:51:22 EDT from fleeb

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That's likely very true, unfortunately.

When recruiters and HR folks care more about full buzzword compliance, and less about accomplishments, you can expect high weirdness in the work place.

I bet I could put 'Emmy' on my resume (legit) and because it isn't one of the buzzwords they're expecting, I'd be passed over.

[#] Tue Oct 10 2017 12:58:21 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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There are two kinds of dynamic resizing with RDP, even on a Windoze server.
The conventional behavior was for RDP clients to respond to a window resize by seamlessly disconnecting from the server and then reconnecting with the new screen dimensions. The newest version of RDP (the protocol, not a particular implementation) contains a channel command that can handle an explicit resize of the viewport.

Guacamole can handle both modes, but it needs to be told which one you want to use. Obviously on a Windoze server the resize command is only available on the latest versions. I don't know whether Xrdp supports it.

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