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[#] Fri Dec 01 2023 18:55:59 EST from stormytramp

Subject: Follow up on massive account creations

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I can send some logs and configs from the misbehaving system.

I also would like to maillog to show the local recipient. Is there a way to expand the level of the logging to show this?



[#] Sat Dec 02 2023 13:49:30 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Follow up on massive account creations

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I also would like to maillog to show the local recipient. Is there a
way to expand the level of the logging to show this?

Yes. Citadel Server sends logs at all logging levels, including "debug" (the highest). Adjust your syslog configuration to capture log messages from citserver at the debug level and you will definitely see alias expansions.

[#] Tue Dec 05 2023 17:36:56 EST from Nurb432

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Just an observation i have been meaning to mention for a while and its nothing critical at all:

When a room description is larger than can display, and you hover over, the full text popup normally only displays for a second or so, then the popup is gone. ( at least for me. Chrome. Several versions. Linux )



[#] Sat Dec 09 2023 10:43:33 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Hate to say this but it's probably not gonna get fixed. All the effort is going into the rewrite right now.

[#] Fri Dec 15 2023 14:09:05 EST from stormytramp

Subject: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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The DB xxxx12345.log files in "data" have dramically increased in number, and are creating new ones by 10+ every second.

 

The citadel application core dumps on "systemctl stop citadel" when executing a backup.

 

I this a concern or and induication that something is misconfigured? All Citadel related files are owned citadel and group citadel.



[#] Fri Dec 15 2023 14:23:19 EST from stormytramp

Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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OK, This log.xxxxxx process count goes to about 1600 log files then they are processed and committed (?) so I am thinking this is by design making the 996 DB more resilient. I need to look into the core dump issue on stopping Citadel......

Fri Dec 15 2023 14:09:05 EST from stormytramp Subject: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

The DB xxxx12345.log files in "data" have dramically increased in number, and are creating new ones by 10+ every second.

 

The citadel application core dumps on "systemctl stop citadel" when executing a backup.

 

I this a concern or and induication that something is misconfigured? All Citadel related files are owned citadel and group citadel.



 



[#] Sat Dec 16 2023 18:37:32 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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The DB xxxx12345.log files in "data" have dramically increased in number, and are creating new ones by 10+ every second.

This suggests that something is very rapidly writing to your database.

Check to make sure your site is not under attack by spammers, and that you don't have any runaway scripts running, anything like that.

And this might be a long shot, but by chance did you run the load test utility and forgot to stop it?

The citadel application core dumps on "systemctl stop citadel" when executing a backup.

That normally doesn't happen anymore, but if you're able to produce a core dump, run it through the debugger and let's see where it crashed.

 



[#] Sat Dec 16 2023 18:41:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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OK, This log.xxxxxx process count goes to about 1600 log files then they are processed and committed (?) so I am thinking this is by design making the 996 DB more resilient. 

Well, sort of.  :)

The fact that it's committing 16 GB at a time and not crashing is the new and improved database.  The fact that you are easily recovering from that without corruption when you do take it down is also the new and improved database.  But the fact that it's happening is indicative of unwanted server activity.

You could also run one of those log files through the `strings` utility to see what's inside them.



[#] Mon Dec 18 2023 18:41:27 EST from stormytramp

Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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Well, this is embarrassing...

So, I was (thinking I was) cleaning up the issues from the VM crash, inadvertently copied over the DB & log files over the running server DB files and crashed the system.....

 

Once I restored from the backup, those log files are no longer being created. I didnt run the load test, so I can only assume that I missed something during the upgrade. I also found the the webcit systemd files were not created, so I took care of that. Again, I don't think it was the easy install procedure because I created a new server to check out the process. So all looks as it should.

 

Another note, regarding the mail logging facility, I have been able to get the logs to reflect all the pertinent data looking for in rsyslog (Redhat 9)... I did not modify the citserver systemd files, but the rsyslog file. Am I doing the wrong files for the details Im looking for?

 

Cheers

 

 

Sat Dec 16 2023 18:41:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

OK, This log.xxxxxx process count goes to about 1600 log files then they are processed and committed (?) so I am thinking this is by design making the 996 DB more resilient. 

Well, sort of.  :)

The fact that it's committing 16 GB at a time and not crashing is the new and improved database.  The fact that you are easily recovering from that without corruption when you do take it down is also the new and improved database.  But the fact that it's happening is indicative of unwanted server activity.

You could also run one of those log files through the `strings` utility to see what's inside them.



 



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 04:32:13 EST from stormytramp

Subject: mail -syslogs - Log facility does not show data from, to, size, etc.

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[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 04:33:38 EST from stormytramp

Subject: Re: mail -syslogs - Log facility does not show data from, to, size, etc.

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Sorry

Meant to say that these log enries from mail facility are not showing the data sought

 

Cheers

Tue Dec 19 2023 04:32:13 EST from stormytramp Subject: mail -syslogs - Log facility does not show data from, to, size, etc.


 



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 09:29:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: V 996 The DB Log count has increased drammitcally

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Another note, regarding the mail logging facility, I have been able to get

the logs to reflect all the pertinent data looking for in rsyslog (Redhat

9)... I did not modify the citserver systemd files, but the rsyslog file.
Am
I doing the wrong files for the details Im looking for?

That sounds correct.

Citadel Server will generate syslog messages at all levels. If you are running it in the foreground on a terminal, the `-x` option merely indicates what logging level is sent to the screen. But if you are capturing log messages using syslog, Citadel Server will always generate syslog messages at all levels.
It is up to your syslog daemon (rsyslog or whatever) to decide which messages it wants to capture and where it wants to store them.

Back when I ran my main system at home, I'd send all my debug level syslogs to /dev/tty12 so I could just toggle over there whenever I wanted to watch it. Nowadays it's a virtual machine running on a host in a remote data center so I don't do that anymore, but it was fun to watch.

[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 11:24:07 EST from bobbydharrell

Subject: Setup Questions

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I have Citadel installed on a Raspberry Pi ... this is the 3rd time I have installed it, yet to finish due to me breaking things ... 
I tried to move the Database and Log files to my mounted 1TB ssd, but then the pi would crash on boot. So I wiped it to start over.

 

How do I safely and correctly move these to the mounted ssd so that I dont have to worry about having enough space?

 

Thanks

Bobby



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 12:43:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Setup Questions

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You have a couple of options.

If the Pi is new enough (RPi 4 or later) you can just install the operating system directly to the SSD and eliminate the SD card altogether. That is how I run mine. There is also a way to re-flash a Pi 3 to do that, but I bricked mine doing it, so maybe don't try that :)

If you're running the containerized version of Citadel (which avoids all that tedious mucking about with Easy Install) you can put the data volume anywhere you want. For example, if your SSD is on /myssd you can create a directory called /myssd/citadel and then run the Docker command with "--volume=/myssd/citadel:/citadel-data" and it'll put everything there.

If for some reason you are unwilling to do either of the above, you can just make /usr/local/citadel a symlink to some other location on your disk.

[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 15:14:17 EST from bobbydharrell

Subject: Re: Setup Questions

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Very informative answers, Thank you very much.

 

I am running a PI4, but it is a board or kit that adds the SSD, so when ever I flash the SD, I think have to mount the SSD in the /etc/fstab, so I am unsure how I would install the OS and boot from the SSD.

Not running a container: I am following a How to using Easy Install script

For the symlink option (ln) would this be correct?

ln -s citadel-path mounted-drive-path

Then after that I assume I move the files to the mounted-drive-path that are in the original folder? Or does it automatically make new ones/move them?

I am new to this, I tinker.



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 15:15:02 EST from bobbydharrell

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Would it be best to use docker? Is there a how-to for Citadel and/or apache for setting them up in containers?



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 16:32:28 EST from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Setup Questions

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Docker instructions.. just add the extra bit of parameters above to move it to SSD.

 

https://www.citadel.org/docker.html



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 16:37:17 EST from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Setup Questions

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Unrelated to citadel, i have a board where i boot from SD, then have it 'switch' the root over to my SSD.  Device wont support booting from SSD, but this way other than the slower boot time, it 'runs' from SSD and get the speed where it matters.

If you cant get anything else to work as far as the PI booting properly, hit me up over in the unix room or something and ill get you instructions on how i did it ( its not hard, and i have a script that will do the grunt work )

Tue Dec 19 2023 15:14:17 EST from bobbydharrell Subject: Re: Setup Questions

 

I am running a PI4, but it is a board or kit that adds the SSD, so when ever I flash the SD, I think have to mount the SSD in the /etc/fstab, so I am unsure how I would install the OS and boot from the SSD.

 



[#] Tue Dec 19 2023 22:15:39 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Setup Questions

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Docker instructions.. just add the extra bit of parameters above to
move it to SSD.

I believe he said it was a new installation. If that is the case, there's no need to move anything. Just specify the name of the directory when starting the container, and you're off to the races.

Docker is really the best way to run Citadel these days. Full instructions are at [ https://www.citadel.org/docker.html ] and should cover most use cases, at least those which would be applicable to someone new to containers. For those who are experts with containers, there's a section later on in the document explaining the container's parameters and the seasoned expert will already know what to do.

I'm in the process of trying to acquire some new server hardware in my data center. When I do, I'm going to try to run pretty much everything in containers using a Kubernetes cluster.

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