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[#] Sat Jan 28 2023 19:58:11 UTC from Nurb432

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Cant play cat videos on tty terminals....

Sat Jan 28 2023 12:18:23 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

 

 "there is no market for consumer graphics" 



 



[#] Sat Jan 28 2023 20:58:26 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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THIS RIGHT HERE!

Sat Jan 28 2023 14:58:11 EST from Nurb432

Cant play cat videos on tty terminals....

 



[#] Sat Jan 28 2023 21:14:59 UTC from Nurb432

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ok i meant practically, i know you can do tty video. but no one wants it. gimme a break, im sick :)

( and the link didnt show )

Sat Jan 28 2023 03:58:26 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

THIS RIGHT HERE!

Sat Jan 28 2023 14:58:11 EST from Nurb432

Cant play cat videos on tty terminals....

 



 



[#] Sun Jan 29 2023 01:25:14 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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Terminal graphics are just slow, good for cat pics but not for video.  Also not a link, just underlined text.

Sat Jan 28 2023 16:14:59 EST from Nurb432

ok i meant practically, i know you can do tty video. but no one wants it. gimme a break, im sick :)

( and the link didnt show )

Sat Jan 28 2023 03:58:26 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

THIS RIGHT HERE!

Sat Jan 28 2023 14:58:11 EST from Nurb432

Cant play cat videos on tty terminals....

 



 



 



[#] Sun Jan 29 2023 17:21:08 UTC from Nurb432

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Wow, totality missed your intent. sorry

 

I blame being sick and not eating, going on 4 days now.

Sat Jan 28 2023 08:25:14 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

Terminal graphics are just slow, good for cat pics but not for video.  Also not a link, just underlined text.

Sat Jan 28 2023 16:14:59 EST from Nurb432

ok i meant practically, i know you can do tty video. but no one wants it. gimme a break, im sick :)

( and the link didnt show )

Sat Jan 28 2023 03:58:26 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

THIS RIGHT HERE!

Sat Jan 28 2023 14:58:11 EST from Nurb432

Cant play cat videos on tty terminals....

 



 



 



 



[#] Mon Jan 30 2023 18:08:05 UTC from fandarel

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One of the most fascinating things to me, as an Engineer and not a Computer Scientist, is that Linux isn't Great. Linux is Good Enough, almost as a complete philosophy. Commercial Unix - and other commercial alternatives like OpenVMS - have some truly impressive capabilities that have never been matched in Linux. Things like DTrace, zones, ZFS in Solaris, the clustering design in OpenVMS, etc., are superbly designed and maybe even revolutionary. Leaving licensing issues aside, some of these capabilities have found their way into FreeBSD, but not Linux. Why? I'd argue it's because Linux doesn't need them.
The tools we have available are Good Enough to continue the explosive growth of the Linux ecosystem and the continued evolution of the pieces that really matter. Compare with the relatively glacial pace of growth around FreeBSD, arguably a much more technically capable solution. In closing, I'll just say that I'm glad to see Commercial Unix die. No love at all for AIX, Tru64, HP/UX, SCO, or even IRIX. Though I still think Magic Desktop was mighty nifty and wish someone would make an open source clone.

[#] Mon Jan 30 2023 19:31:12 UTC from Nurb432

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"good enough" is how most things in the world operate, if you get down to it.



[#] Tue Jan 31 2023 15:11:01 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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It was really just timing. Had the AT&T lawsuit been settled a few years earlier, BSD would have taken the place Linux is in today, and we would have ended up with roughly the same results. I for one am very thankful that the open source ecosystem appeared and constantly improved and became ubiquitous.
Without it, commercial Unix would still be dead today and we would be living in a Windows monoculture dystopia.

And yes, it's ridiculous that even though Solaris is on life support, Oracle won't change the license for ZFS.

[#] Tue Jan 31 2023 15:25:30 UTC from Nurb432

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Or if they just kissed and made up, with no suit..

Tue Jan 31 2023 10:11:01 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.
It was really just timing. Had the AT&T lawsuit been settled a few years earlier,

 



[#] Tue Jan 31 2023 21:30:18 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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Believe it or not, I quite like IRIX.  Both my Indy and my O2 are running IRIX Release 6.5 Update 22 (commonly referred to as IRIX 6.5.22).  It's a nice system, rather quirky, but it works very well.

 

Now if only I could find the pinouts for the memory slots in my machines, I could maybe get some memory modules made.  Bring them both up to the max supported memory capacity.  256MB for the Indy, 8GB for the O2.



[#] Tue Jan 31 2023 22:13:49 UTC from Nurb432

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Simpler times back then.  Simpler life.   I miss VSTa. ( tho i have said that before ),

I miss the early 90s in general, who am i kidding.

Tue Jan 31 2023 04:30:18 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty

Believe it or not, I quite like IRIX.  

 



[#] Wed Feb 01 2023 14:07:32 UTC from LoanShark

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capabilities that have never been matched in Linux. Things like
DTrace, zones, ZFS in Solaris, the clustering design in OpenVMS, etc.,

are superbly designed and maybe even revolutionary. Leaving licensing

issues aside, some of these capabilities have found their way into
FreeBSD, but not Linux. Why? I'd argue it's because Linux doesn't

I mean you're not wrong -- worse is better, simpler is better, new jersey is better than MIT

but dtrace is in linux now, ZFS is in linux now, various scary forms of clustering are in linux now

so as a practical matter I'm not sure what all this means...

[#] Wed Feb 01 2023 21:11:29 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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ZFS is "sort of" on Linux. Some vendors are afraid to ship it or build on top of it because Oracle hasn't promised not to fling sueballs at anyone who uses it. This is particularly st00pid since Oracle is now the owner of both ZFS and btrfs, and they no longer have a need to give Solaris an edge over Linux.

And yes, I know, btrfs still has a write hole when you run a volume in raid5/raid6 mode. But I'm running my home machine in raid1 mode, and I'm running my server farm on top of the kernel's RAID10, so I don't care.

[#] Wed Feb 01 2023 22:18:51 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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With FreeBSD's installer, root on ZFS is the default option.  Yes, you can still choose UFS2 if you need that.

 

Wed Feb 01 2023 16:11:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.
ZFS is "sort of" on Linux. Some vendors are afraid to ship it or build on top of it because Oracle hasn't promised not to fling sueballs at anyone who uses it. This is particularly st00pid since Oracle is now the owner of both ZFS and btrfs, and they no longer have a need to give Solaris an edge over Linux.

And yes, I know, btrfs still has a write hole when you run a volume in raid5/raid6 mode. But I'm running my home machine in raid1 mode, and I'm running my server farm on top of the kernel's RAID10, so I don't care.

 



[#] Thu Feb 02 2023 00:37:02 UTC from zelgomer

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anyone who uses it. This is particularly st00pid since Oracle is now

the owner of both ZFS and btrfs, and they no longer have a need to give


How can Oracle own btrfs? It was developed in the Linux kernel, surely that makes it GPL, doesn't it?

[#] Fri Feb 03 2023 15:57:04 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Fair enough. `btrfs` originated inside of Oracle and they have (or at least had) a bunch of engineers working on it. Thanks to the GPL they cannot revoke it from the community or change the terms of its publication into the kernel.

The point is that after acquiring Sun, Oracle became the steward of two filesystems with very similar goals and purposes. Some people consider ZFS to be far superior to btrfs, and Oracle no longer has a business case for keeping ZFS away from Linux, so why don't they just relicense it as GPL.

[#] Fri Feb 03 2023 17:35:13 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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Changing the license to GPL would have disastrous consequences.  It would be removed from nearly every OS that currently uses it, except linux.

 

Fri Feb 03 2023 10:57:04 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.
Fair enough. `btrfs` originated inside of Oracle and they have (or at least had) a bunch of engineers working on it. Thanks to the GPL they cannot revoke it from the community or change the terms of its publication into the kernel.

The point is that after acquiring Sun, Oracle became the steward of two filesystems with very similar goals and purposes. Some people consider ZFS to be far superior to btrfs, and Oracle no longer has a business case for keeping ZFS away from Linux, so why don't they just relicense it as GPL.

 



[#] Fri Feb 03 2023 18:07:27 UTC from Nurb432

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ya for all the good GPL brings, it also brings bad... I hate to sound like ' them' but ultimately it is an infection that can bite you in the butt.. 

 

Fri Feb 03 2023 12:35:13 PM EST from LadySerenaKitty Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.

Changing the license to GPL would have disastrous consequences.  It would be removed from nearly every OS that currently uses it, except linux.

 

 


[#] Fri Feb 03 2023 18:09:23 UTC from LadySerenaKitty

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After the OpenBSD fiasco, network drivers stopped getting ported from linux, and there was a huge push in FreeBSD to de-GPL all of base.

 

Fri Feb 03 2023 13:07:27 ESTfrom Nurb432 Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.

ya for all the good GPL brings, it also brings bad... I hate to sound like ' them' but ultimately it is an infection that can bite you in the butt.. 

Fri Feb 03 2023 12:35:13 PM ESTfrom LadySerenaKitty Subject: Re: Ding dong, proprietary Unix is dead.

Changing the license to GPL would have disastrous consequences.  It would be removed from nearly every OS that currently uses it, except linux.

 



[#] Fri Feb 03 2023 23:00:51 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Other possibilities are dual-licensing (GPL and BSD) or, as Linus has called for, a covenant not to sue over OpenZFS.

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