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[#] Thu Oct 13 2022 19:16:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 09:52:26 EDT from Greg Nesbitt

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Suits can't get their head around the fact that free things have value. And they also seem to think that value increases linearly with cost. My toolbox has thousands of dollars worth of tools in it. You know the one I use the most, by far, that is of the highest value to me? The jeweler screwdriver set my Dad gave me for free that he got, for free, from a vendor about 20 years ago.

[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 16:32:07 EDT from Nurb432

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In theory they are paying for someone to hold their hand, and to blame when things break.   

Having a 3rd party to blame when things go bad should not be discounted.  There is value there.

Thu Oct 13 2022 07:16:55 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

 



[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 23:59:03 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Fri Oct 14 2022 16:32:07 EDT from Nurb432

In theory they are paying for someone to hold their hand, and to blame when things break.   

Having a 3rd party to blame when things go bad should not be discounted.  There is value there.

Thu Oct 13 2022 07:16:55 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

 



Also, not everykitty is a FreeBSD Goddess like me.  Not everykitty is a linux god either.



[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 07:30:48 EDT from Nurb432

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I used to be a BSD one ( well not god*ESS* but you know what i mean :) )   I was poking at BSD back before the days of the "great suit" that let the unencumbered penguin take the lead and forever changed computing.

 

Somewhere i should still have my walnut creek CD with NetBSD/386  ( or was it 386/bsd? I forget now, its been too long ) that had the parts that were part of the suit removed.. It was of course totally unusable as is, but we all got a copy in case more code was lost..

 

Fri Oct 14 2022 11:59:03 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

 Also, not everykitty is a FreeBSD Goddess like me.  Not everykitty is a linux god either.



 



[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 08:52:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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We could talk forever about "what if" there had been no lawsuit and FreeBSD ended up taking the mantle that Linux held instead. We would have had different leaders, different heritage, different stories, but I think we might have ended up roughly in the same place we are now. In the end it was Richard Stallman who kept the ecosystem from succeeding sooner than it did, because even though the idea was good, his crybaby tactics and insistence that everything be 100% *his* way or you don't do it at all, drove people away, made the scene look like a bunch of petulant children.

I've been a die-hard unix fan since the early 1980's. I've tried them all.
With a few exceptions I love them all.

[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 09:13:16 EDT from Nurb432

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Sorry, wast trying to open up that debate really, I was just trying to put it in time-perspective.  

I got carried away with my commentary, as i'm still bitter :)



[#] Mon Oct 24 2022 19:04:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If you want some nostalgic fun, read some old Linux Journal magazines. Here's one that has a lot of good stuff:

[ https://web.archive.org/web/20041208112435/http://linux4u.jinr.ru/usoft/WWW/LJ/issue30/issue30.html ]

Highlights:

"This PC runs both Linux and DOS/Win3.1 (thank you LILO)"

"Perhaps RMS is frustrated because Linus got the glory for what RMS wanted to do."

"UnixWare Technology Group (UTG) is being dissolved. SCO (the guys who now own UnixWare) will form an internal group to take its place. What's wrong with this? UTG was reasonably independent, and its decisions had to do with the entire Unix industry. Independence is no longer the case, as SCO has just put themselves in the position of being on all sides of any decisions. For later reference, note that a little company in Redmond named Microsoft owns a reasonably-sized chunk of SCO.


(gaadz ... that last one was prescient, wasn't it?)

"Linux people, now is the time to strike. Linux is a great operating system for web servers." (He then goes on to describe how a DEC Alpha running Linux beats a Windows NT machine hands down.)

"In little more than a year Java has gone from an obscure back-room project at Sun to an all but universal topic of interest and speculation in the computing community---and we would be astonished if it hadn't."

"See how one company uses a Linux system and sendmail to handle e-mail routing between incompatible systems.


(hahah sendmail)

Seriously, you can find some real gems in there. Such an interesting snapshot of the things that were important to us a quarter century ago, the things we worried about that either did or did not come to pass, the things we dreamed of that did or did not come to pass ... good times.

[#] Thu Nov 03 2022 18:26:06 EDT from Nurb432

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if anyone cares, new 9Front released this week.  Code name "golden age of ballooning"



[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 17:45:55 EST from Nurb432

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Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)

 

(should be ok i used to run sid all the time)



[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 18:37:16 EST from zelgomer

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2022-11-19 22:45 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)


Thanks for the reminder. I'm way behind the ball, still running buster on all my machines. Thanksgiving break is probably a good time to finally upgrade.

[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 20:00:24 EST from Nurb432

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Well, now screen blank actually shuts my monitor off after a while.   not seen that in at least 3 releases...   So at least that is one improvement. 

 

I wonder if it has drivers now for my 'convertible' laptop. ( one of those things with the screen that folds around to make it a tablet like device ).  By messing with xrand some, I managed to manually force things like turning off keyboard and trackpad, but still cant get screen rotation right, so its only usable in landscape mode. While not worthless, no 'reading' mode. ( video rotates, but touch sensor does not.. ).   Auto sensing and auto switch woudl be nice..   It came with windows, and i guess it does work with that, but, that is windows :)



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