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[#] Thu Oct 13 2022 19:16:55 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 09:52:26 EDT from Greg Nesbitt

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Suits can't get their head around the fact that free things have value. And they also seem to think that value increases linearly with cost. My toolbox has thousands of dollars worth of tools in it. You know the one I use the most, by far, that is of the highest value to me? The jeweler screwdriver set my Dad gave me for free that he got, for free, from a vendor about 20 years ago.

[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 16:32:07 EDT from Nurb432

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In theory they are paying for someone to hold their hand, and to blame when things break.   

Having a 3rd party to blame when things go bad should not be discounted.  There is value there.

Thu Oct 13 2022 07:16:55 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

 



[#] Fri Oct 14 2022 23:59:03 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Fri Oct 14 2022 16:32:07 EDT from Nurb432

In theory they are paying for someone to hold their hand, and to blame when things break.   

Having a 3rd party to blame when things go bad should not be discounted.  There is value there.

Thu Oct 13 2022 07:16:55 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
And yet for some reason, people pay boatloads of money to companies like Red IBM, Canonical, and Apple for free unices.

 



Also, not everykitty is a FreeBSD Goddess like me.  Not everykitty is a linux god either.



[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 07:30:48 EDT from Nurb432

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I used to be a BSD one ( well not god*ESS* but you know what i mean :) )   I was poking at BSD back before the days of the "great suit" that let the unencumbered penguin take the lead and forever changed computing.

 

Somewhere i should still have my walnut creek CD with NetBSD/386  ( or was it 386/bsd? I forget now, its been too long ) that had the parts that were part of the suit removed.. It was of course totally unusable as is, but we all got a copy in case more code was lost..

 

Fri Oct 14 2022 11:59:03 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

 Also, not everykitty is a FreeBSD Goddess like me.  Not everykitty is a linux god either.



 



[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 08:52:01 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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We could talk forever about "what if" there had been no lawsuit and FreeBSD ended up taking the mantle that Linux held instead. We would have had different leaders, different heritage, different stories, but I think we might have ended up roughly in the same place we are now. In the end it was Richard Stallman who kept the ecosystem from succeeding sooner than it did, because even though the idea was good, his crybaby tactics and insistence that everything be 100% *his* way or you don't do it at all, drove people away, made the scene look like a bunch of petulant children.

I've been a die-hard unix fan since the early 1980's. I've tried them all.
With a few exceptions I love them all.

[#] Sat Oct 15 2022 09:13:16 EDT from Nurb432

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Sorry, wast trying to open up that debate really, I was just trying to put it in time-perspective.  

I got carried away with my commentary, as i'm still bitter :)



[#] Mon Oct 24 2022 19:04:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If you want some nostalgic fun, read some old Linux Journal magazines. Here's one that has a lot of good stuff:

[ https://web.archive.org/web/20041208112435/http://linux4u.jinr.ru/usoft/WWW/LJ/issue30/issue30.html ]

Highlights:

"This PC runs both Linux and DOS/Win3.1 (thank you LILO)"

"Perhaps RMS is frustrated because Linus got the glory for what RMS wanted to do."

"UnixWare Technology Group (UTG) is being dissolved. SCO (the guys who now own UnixWare) will form an internal group to take its place. What's wrong with this? UTG was reasonably independent, and its decisions had to do with the entire Unix industry. Independence is no longer the case, as SCO has just put themselves in the position of being on all sides of any decisions. For later reference, note that a little company in Redmond named Microsoft owns a reasonably-sized chunk of SCO.


(gaadz ... that last one was prescient, wasn't it?)

"Linux people, now is the time to strike. Linux is a great operating system for web servers." (He then goes on to describe how a DEC Alpha running Linux beats a Windows NT machine hands down.)

"In little more than a year Java has gone from an obscure back-room project at Sun to an all but universal topic of interest and speculation in the computing community---and we would be astonished if it hadn't."

"See how one company uses a Linux system and sendmail to handle e-mail routing between incompatible systems.


(hahah sendmail)

Seriously, you can find some real gems in there. Such an interesting snapshot of the things that were important to us a quarter century ago, the things we worried about that either did or did not come to pass, the things we dreamed of that did or did not come to pass ... good times.

[#] Thu Nov 03 2022 18:26:06 EDT from Nurb432

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if anyone cares, new 9Front released this week.  Code name "golden age of ballooning"



[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 17:45:55 EST from Nurb432

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Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)

 

(should be ok i used to run sid all the time)



[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 18:37:16 EST from zelgomer

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2022-11-19 22:45 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)


Thanks for the reminder. I'm way behind the ball, still running buster on all my machines. Thanksgiving break is probably a good time to finally upgrade.

[#] Sat Nov 19 2022 20:00:24 EST from Nurb432

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Well, now screen blank actually shuts my monitor off after a while.   not seen that in at least 3 releases...   So at least that is one improvement. 

 

I wonder if it has drivers now for my 'convertible' laptop. ( one of those things with the screen that folds around to make it a tablet like device ).  By messing with xrand some, I managed to manually force things like turning off keyboard and trackpad, but still cant get screen rotation right, so its only usable in landscape mode. While not worthless, no 'reading' mode. ( video rotates, but touch sensor does not.. ).   Auto sensing and auto switch woudl be nice..   It came with windows, and i guess it does work with that, but, that is windows :)



[#] Tue Dec 06 2022 09:53:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)

I don't quite remember where I am on that timeline ... but I have one VM on which I'm cross-compiling for i386, AMD64, ARMv7, and ARM64 -- and the ARM64 build (on qemu) finally works without crashing. Progress!

I wish there was a "rolling" branch of Debian. (Yes I know, "testing" is sort of that way, but it's not guaranteed stable.)

[#] Tue Dec 06 2022 11:04:13 EST from Nurb432

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Testing = next one in line ( in this case bookworm ). While should be stable it is subject to changes coming from sid.   Sid is the 'upcoming test bed' ( gets moved to the next named testing version but never changes its name, its always Sid since hes not 100% stable ), and then there is true unstable, which can be a ClusterF (tm), but great if you want to live on the edge. 

I ran Sid for years as its not just 'it compiled, shipped' , but every so often you get things that are not available yet ( or vanishes for a while ) in the current build and effects something else you have.  Not often, but it happens.   I stopped the one time it broke something i needed to function, and have mostly stuck with release and 'late' testing since.

Tue Dec 06 2022 09:53:02 AM EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Just upgraded my main machine to bookworm .. wish me luck. :)

I don't quite remember where I am on that timeline ... but I have one VM on which I'm cross-compiling for i386, AMD64, ARMv7, and ARM64 -- and the ARM64 build (on qemu) finally works without crashing. Progress!

I wish there was a "rolling" branch of Debian. (Yes I know, "testing" is sort of that way, but it's not guaranteed stable.)

 



[#] Wed Dec 07 2022 16:12:46 EST from LoanShark

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upgraded main dev machines to ubuntu jammy. working decently well.

[#] Wed Dec 21 2022 09:34:24 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Meanwhile at ${dayjob} ... we just got in some "Smart NICs" (or as they're called now, "DPUs") to do some evaluation of offloading network functions onto the card. I'm not sure how I feel about this, because if you're trying to build a software-defined network, why deploy purpose-built hardware again?

In any case, this requires OS support, and because certain people are stubborn we're still focusing on VMware. I was on a call with them last week and they were touting their DPU efforts -- something they call "Project Monterey."

And I said to them, "Monterey? Doesn't that require an Itanium?"

I don't think anyone over there understands. A few of you will. We remember the Unix Wars of old, how the epic struggle for the top spot was won by a group of terrorists from Redmond whose OS wasn't even a Unix, and how a ragtag band of open source enthusiasts took back the territory a decade later. Apparently no one who remembers history works at VMware.

[#] Wed Dec 21 2022 17:45:29 EST from Nurb432

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It does seem like going backwards. 



[#] Mon Dec 26 2022 18:19:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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In other news, it now seems that Canonical will have a go at its next attempt to do an IPO in this coming year. I don't know how I feel about that. I like Ubuntu and I hope they don't end up going the way of Red Hat and split into paid and free versions. If they did that I would certainly bail out and go back to plain Debian. Hopefully they realize that it would be a bad move; for all but the gurus, Mint would probably take their place.

Honestly though, for the last couple of years I'd simply assumed that Canonical would eventually be acquired by Microsoft. I suppose an IPO is better.

[#] Mon Dec 26 2022 18:55:01 EST from Nurb432

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I blame canoical for pushing things like SystemD, wayland and that freaking walled snap store.

I dont like them.

 

( but that should come as no surprise )



[#] Thu Dec 29 2022 14:28:57 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I like systemd, and I also like Wayland, so pthphpbbphptgbphtphpbpthpbhh.

By the way, today I learned that you can configure any Chromium-based browser to use Wayland by default *without* resorting to modifying the launch shortcut (which is what I was doing before).

Go to chrome://flags
Locate "Preferred Ozone platform"
Set it to "Wayland"
Restart

et voila! I think it ought to default to Wayland if Wayland is available at all, because if both are available then it's really just running XWayland.
I find it satisfying when I run xwininfo and click on the browser and nothing happens :) I seldom have much open other than kitty (terminal) and Brave (browser) anyway, so ... legacy free ftw!

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