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[#] Fri Apr 16 2021 07:59:34 EDT from Nurb432

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Not sure id consider it a bug. Just a security hole. ( that would be really hard to plug, as by design it bypasses security )

Thu Apr 15 2021 23:01:03 EDT from test2

zaphod indicated the chineese used the jtag bug to make edits to the the firmware after final inspection. the edits were the foundation for later remote exploits that also involved the jtag bug chip.  it was a two step process, pretty well thought out. spurious traffic was the loose thread that led to discovery.  of course these weren't your typical sites. this is the reason space command exists today. cyber warfare, happens every day.  btw, the dominion traffic was captured by the cyber warfare spooks. don't have a clue what, if anything, they intend to do with it.



 



[#] Fri Apr 16 2021 15:40:56 EDT from test2

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doh! when i use the term "bug" in this case im using it in reference to the physical embodiment of the silicon device.  jtag bug means the silicon chip embedded between layers of the printed circuit board.  the presence of the device creates the security hole as you describe. bug can also mean a design defect either software or hardware that is exploited, which is not how i intended the meaning to be perceived. anyway... we're on the same page.

 

Fri Apr 16 2021 07:59:34 AM EDT from Nurb432

Not sure id consider it a bug. Just a security hole. ( that would be really hard to plug, as by design it bypasses security )

Thu Apr 15 2021 23:01:03 EDT from test2

zaphod indicated the chineese used the jtag bug to make edits to the the firmware after final inspection. the edits were the foundation for later remote exploits that also involved the jtag bug chip.  it was a two step process, pretty well thought out. spurious traffic was the loose thread that led to discovery.  of course these weren't your typical sites. this is the reason space command exists today. cyber warfare, happens every day.  btw, the dominion traffic was captured by the cyber warfare spooks. don't have a clue what, if anything, they intend to do with it.



 



 



[#] Thu Apr 22 2021 19:44:58 EDT from ASCII Express

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Thanks, I'll check out ESB32. Great to see FORTH activity.

[#] Thu Apr 22 2021 19:52:03 EDT from Nurb432

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If you do Facebook, we just got Chuck Moore to join the group..  I'm still floored on that one.  First Leo Brodie and now Moore.. what else could a  FORTH fan hope for?

And dont shoot me for a FB link!   - >  https://www.facebook.com/groups/2225595150855239

Thu Apr 22 2021 19:44:58 EDT from ASCII Express
Thanks, I'll check out ESB32. Great to see FORTH activity.

 



[#] Thu Apr 22 2021 19:55:40 EDT from Nurb432

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Meant to include a direct link to the ESP32 Forth stuff the group is working on, in case you dont do FB

https://esp32forth.wordpress.com/2021/02/20/new-version-7-of-esp32forth/?fbclid=IwAR1IAyklK68YPMkSjNrv_Ta0kfjUJRGCa8CRDEeQrTwx26Th9wtVa3-Ygbs

 

The group is not dedicated to ESPForth, just that its the most popular discussion at the moment. 



[#] Mon May 03 2021 21:34:35 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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@Nurb... 

I thought for once I'd knock a room ON topic... 

Just discovered that the ST core on MiSTer is now a supported, official core. It is there with a version number and everything. I haven't tried it out yet - but... do you have a minute to talk about our Lord and Savior, the DE10 Nano FPGA development board? 

 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 07:13:02 EDT from Nurb432

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Got a link to the real one? I saw a couple of unofficial ones a while ago, all with enough problems to not care about them

Mon May 03 2021 09:34:35 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

@Nurb... 

I thought for once I'd knock a room ON topic... 

Just discovered that the ST core on MiSTer is now a supported, official core. It is there with a version number and everything. I haven't tried it out yet - but... do you have a minute to talk about our Lord and Savior, the DE10 Nano FPGA development board? 

 



 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 10:19:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Well... the DE10 Nano is really just the heart of the MiSTer. It is open source, with no official distribution model - but there is a baseline for "official, supported" design that anyone can make and resell. 

The most respected source in the States is probably this guy: 

https://misteraddons.com/

For creating high quality bundles and components for the MiST. 

But you can really piecemeal one together, buying the DE10Nano on Amazon, the boards (memory and I/O mostly) from eBay or direct sellers like MiSTeraddons, then putting one together yourself. 

That is generally what I've done. You save a few bucks that way. 

 

Tue May 04 2021 07:13:02 EDT from Nurb432

Got a link to the real one? I saw a couple of unofficial ones a while ago, all with enough problems to not care about them

Mon May 03 2021 09:34:35 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

@Nurb... 

I thought for once I'd knock a room ON topic... 

Just discovered that the ST core on MiSTer is now a supported, official core. It is there with a version number and everything. I haven't tried it out yet - but... do you have a minute to talk about our Lord and Savior, the DE10 Nano FPGA development board? 

 



 



 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 11:03:04 EDT from Nurb432

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I was meaning the ST core, not the hardware.   



[#] Tue May 04 2021 14:21:26 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Ah. Duh. The question makes a lot more sense framed like that. Not sure why I didn't realize that is what you meant. 

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/AtariST_MiSTer

All of the official MiSTer development is at the github. 

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel

This core looks pretty tight. I booted up and played Barbarian from disk image on it last night using the default EmuTOS rom it ships with. Didn't even bother copying my genuine TOS ROMs from the MiST - although I'm sure if I wanted to really get into the ST on MiSTer - I'd have to do that eventually. 




Tue May 04 2021 11:03:04 EDT from Nurb432

I was meaning the ST core, not the hardware.   



 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 15:51:50 EDT from Nurb432

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At this point, if i still had a real ST id be running EmuTOS on it. its way more advanced than Atari's ever got to be.

Tho my use case woudl be the extended video modes too. 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 20:04:23 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I always just had a 1040ST to play games on, mostly Midimaze - and got rid of it way before I got rid of the Amiga. I think Great Giana Sisters on the ST is where I went, "Yeah, sometimes the ST is better than the Amiga, but not often enough." 

But Amiga is going the same way with AROS and the AROS KS rom replacement. No actual original Commodore code - but becoming highly compatible - and with new hardware like the Vampire V4 which offers an enhanced S-AGA mode and enhanced audio mode - new resolutions, higher sound sampling... actual hardware upgrades 30 years later that are resulting in renewed development. :) 


Tue May 04 2021 15:51:50 EDT from Nurb432

At this point, if i still had a real ST id be running EmuTOS on it. its way more advanced than Atari's ever got to be.

Tho my use case woudl be the extended video modes too. 



 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 21:19:15 EDT from Nurb432

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Mine ( as most of my computers really ) was for productivity stuff, programming and dial out/internet. 



[#] Tue May 04 2021 23:40:48 EDT from ASCII Express

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2021-04-22 19:52 from Nurb432
If you do Facebook, we just got Chuck Moore to join the group..  I'm
still floored on that one.  First Leo Brodie and now Moore.. what
else could a  FORTH fan hope for?

And dont shoot me for a FB link!   -

Congrats. I joined. I hate Facebook but wanted to show my support of the language and the group.

[#] Tue May 04 2021 23:45:22 EDT from ASCII Express

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I see how Clojure has made Lisp more popular, and I wonder if someone has done something similar with FORTH. It looks like the one you recommended works on the Arduino and other embedded hardware. How about something for general purpose programming on a desktop? I tried a few implementations a number of years ago but they didn't feel...well...modern. And I love how the core of the language hasn't changed, but I think you know what I mean. Any recommendations?

[#] Tue May 04 2021 23:49:23 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Yeah... I had an Amiga 2000... so... the 1040 was basically a game console. I guess I occasionally dialed out on it - but I did almost all of my productivity stuff on the Amiga. 

 

Tue May 04 2021 21:19:15 EDT from Nurb432

Mine ( as most of my computers really ) was for productivity stuff, programming and dial out/internet. 



 



[#] Wed May 05 2021 06:33:37 EDT from Nurb432

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I do too, but in cases like this, its 'controlled' so not terrible. 

Tue May 04 2021 11:40:48 PM EDT from ASCII Express
Congrats. I joined. I hate Facebook but wanted to show my support of the language and the group.

 



[#] Wed May 05 2021 09:28:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I had a genuine NTSC Amiga 1000, with the onboard expansion to bring it to its full 512 KB glory :)

So ahead of its time.

[#] Wed May 05 2021 09:59:36 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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You should see the things they do with an Amiga 1000 today. hardware upgrades have become incredible. Of course, with 35 years, the upgrade often has 1000 more times the computing ability than the whole computer did back in the day - so it is arguable that the computer is holding the upgrade back from its full potential... 

But I wish we lived nearer so I could show you the various Amigas I have, genuine and FPGA, and you could go, "wow, that is amazing!"


The real mind-blowing thing is that even without upgrades, AmigaOS and Workbench hold up today and *feel* powerful enough to be the interface for a modern computing platform. Some of the advances that have been made in the GUI help in that regard - but the majority of those will run on a stock classic Amiga 1000/500/2000... so those are really just more like regular upgrades to the OS. 

 

Wed May 05 2021 09:28:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I had a genuine NTSC Amiga 1000, with the onboard expansion to bring it to its full 512 KB glory :)

So ahead of its time.

 



[#] Wed May 05 2021 10:02:07 EDT from Nurb432

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I think i had a 500? I forget now. It didnt have a power supply so never turned it on before i gave it away. Got it with a pallet of other stuff i wanted.  Had a HD in it. could see it thru the vents. I assume that was aftermarket?

 

It was a similar form factor as a single piece ST/STE ( not a mega but the low profile case )

 

Wed May 05 2021 09:28:57 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I had a genuine NTSC Amiga 1000, with the onboard expansion to bring it to its full 512 KB glory :)

So ahead of its time.

 



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