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[#] Wed May 02 2018 12:58:47 EDT from mo

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You  might  encourage  more  people  to  sign up


Be kinda like Jerry Springer social knockabout.

[#] Tue May 08 2018 09:25:57 EDT from wizard of aahz

Subject: Telnet stuff

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I haven't been able to connect via telnet for a couple of days. It might be me, but I figure I should say something...

[#] Wed May 09 2018 09:48:33 EDT from fleeb <>

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SSH works well... I'm dipping in it.

[#] Wed May 09 2018 21:23:46 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Yeah. I figured as much. I suppose I can do that.

[#] Sun May 13 2018 23:34:39 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Telnet stuff

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I fixed it, but I'm not sure how it got broken in the first place.

[#] Sun May 13 2018 23:35:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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So how do we make it easy for the common woman/man in the street to
hit F*c*b**k over the head and bury it once and for all?

Two of my son's friends have volunteered to accompany me on a trip to California to assault Mark *uckerberg with a baseball bat until F*c*book ceases to exist.

[#] Mon May 14 2018 13:26:54 EDT from wizard of aahz

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Yep.. Telnet is once again Palmolive.. Thanks IG.

[#] Mon May 14 2018 19:20:19 EDT from zooer

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Sun May 13 2018 11:35:41 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Two of my son's friends have volunteered to accompany me on a trip to California to assault Mark *uckerberg with a baseball bat until F*c*book ceases to exist. 

That is where I begin to worry, should we call the police now or wait until you get half way across the country?

[#] Wed May 16 2018 14:00:07 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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100% of the police officers I've asked, hate f*c*book and would like it to go away as well.

[#] Wed May 16 2018 15:09:02 EDT from zooer

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How many police officers have you asked?

[#] Fri May 18 2018 14:55:57 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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A sample large enough for me to be satisfied with the conclusion.

[#] Sat May 19 2018 11:02:07 EDT from zooer

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Is your sample size less than one?

[#] Sat May 19 2018 16:58:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Of course not. That's not a sample. The set of police officers I asked is not only significantly higher than zero but also produced some very negative commentary from experience inside a Facebook office.

[#] Sun May 20 2018 17:27:25 EDT from mo

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I am on: username mikeao


Please have a look, and say hi. (after evaluating, lots of FOSS social networking systems, and just finding - and falling in love with movim (as much as i found and fell in love with citadel-- and still am <3 <3 !! ) i would highly recommend you guys sign up here, even just for a brief look, and  to say hi to mo/mikeao :) .


[#] Sat May 26 2018 00:39:23 EDT from mo

Subject: What a lovely UI!

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One feeling i have after using movim for a little while now, is: What a lovely User Interface! :P

It is so simple, well laid out/intuitive and there is no difference using it on a wide laptop screen or a small smartphone.

This is one thing that would 'make' citadel, and especially having the side menu similar to movim, simplified and useable on a mobile/smartphone.

I know the new webcit will be mobile friendly, so will fix the current problems hopefully, is there any news anyone can share about the new citadel UI?

I would love to see a simplified set of icons, as well as a mobile friendly/mobile client UI and especially side menu (if you will keep this layout?



[#] Wed May 30 2018 17:27:22 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: What a lovely UI!

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The new UI will absolutely be "responsive" (which is web lingo for "behaves well on both mobile and desktop screen sizes") ... but a usable version is some time away. I haven't had much time to work on it lately.

[#] Thu May 31 2018 08:42:08 EDT from fleeb <>

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Oh? There's a new-ish webcit? I haven't used it in a long time, so I wouldn't have noticed.

[#] Thu May 31 2018 11:53:29 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well, not yet. There's a webcit-ng in the repository, and it's got an absolutely fantastic server engine, everything is REST and DAV based, and a client-side JavaScript based design on top of it. But most of the UI hasn't been implemented yet.

I am *not* a fan of throwing away a working code base and starting over, but WebCit is such a horrible mess of spaghetti that it can barely be maintained anymore.

[#] Thu May 31 2018 13:19:58 EDT from fleeb <>

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Yeah, I'd thought one might want to rethink webcit in the way you've described.

Sounds pretty good, just... I guess... needs a UI.

[#] Mon Jun 04 2018 11:00:47 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's a pretty obvious change when you think about how web software is done now.  It still bugs me to have to "start over" in a sense, but when the WebCit project was started in 1996 I really didn't know what I was doing.  It was a couple of CGI scripts clumsily lashed to a server process that talked to Citadel, and presenting a UI using any weird hack I could manage.  The design pattern was wrong, the code was badly laid out, and the built-in web server was bolted on four years later, adding more spaghetti to the code.  The templating language seemed like a good idea at the time, and the implementation was pretty powerful, but it made code maintenance almost impossible.

webcit-ng is written very cleanly, with good separation between layers, and avoiding some of the design mistakes made in other parts of the system.  For example, we pass all of the state of both the HTTP transaction and the Citadel session up and down the stack instead of constantly querying for thread-specific data.  And to be honest, there are places where big chunks of code are being brought over from legacy webcit to webcit-ng, but they're being cleaned up and fitted into the new program instead of trying to fix what was in the old program.

It's a great little project and I'm really happy with what we've built so far.  But that's part of what's making it take so long.  And of course it doesn't have a UI yet.  :)

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