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[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 22:47:00 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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So, did the NSA ask you guys to put a back-door in the text-client?

[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 23:22:15 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Thu Sep 19 2013 08:51:00 PM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
zooer@Linux12:~$ citadel
Can't connect: No such file or directory

zooer@Linux12:~$ citadel --version
Can't connect: Connection timed out

zooer@Linux12:~$ citadel --help
Can't connect: Connection timed out

zooer@Linux12:~$ citadel -?
Can't connect: Connection timed out

le sigh

7.86-1

Zooer, give the text client v8.11 a try (at least it works against my 8.20 install).



[#] Thu Sep 26 2013 23:25:58 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Thu Sep 26 2013 10:47:00 PM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
So, did the NSA ask you guys to put a back-door in the text-client?

Probably not.  Have you read the code?  I have (although not recently).  I love the fact it is available and I can figure out subtle issues when I take the output and send it out via a whole different networking technology (packet radio).  That makes it (not easy), but not impossible to debug edge cases.

You should read the client code, it is fairly short and at least the last time I checked, compares well to some other networking client code I have looked at in the past.



[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 11:42:05 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Zooer, give the text client v8.11 a try (at least it works against my 8.20
install).

Is that the one with the NSA backdoor?



This is what I see on the download page:
"Debian Lenny and Ubuntu 8.04 ship Citadel packages"
"There are several convenient ways to obtain the Citadel system. Or, if you prefer not to maintain your own Citadel
server, you can now obtain it as a hosted service!"


Just a little outdated. The hosted service link doesn't exsist... but I thought someone said it was discontinued.

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 11:43:47 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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 Have you read the code?


I was joking.... but who is to say the same code I read is the same code that is running on the server. The NSA is
tricky.

[#] Fri Sep 27 2013 15:23:00 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Fri Sep 27 2013 11:43:47 AM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
 Have you read the code?

I was joking.... but who is to say the same code I read is the same code that is running on the server. The NSA is
tricky.

Oh, I was talking about the client code.  I can't vouch for the Uncensored code :-)



[#] Sat Sep 28 2013 11:06:21 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fri Sep 27 2013 11:43:47 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
 Have you read the code?

I was joking.... but who is to say the same code I read is the same code that is running on the server. The NSA is
tricky.

who knows? maybe your compiler universaly adds backdoors...



[#] Sat Sep 28 2013 11:08:01 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Thu Sep 26 2013 23:25:58 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored
Thu Sep 26 2013 10:47:00 PM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
So, did the NSA ask you guys to put a back-door in the text-client?

Probably not.  Have you read the code?  I have (although not recently).  I love the fact it is available and I can figure out subtle issues when I take the output and send it out via a whole different networking technology (packet radio).  That makes it (not easy), but not impossible to debug edge cases.

You should read the client code, it is fairly short and at least the last time I checked, compares well to some other networking client code I have looked at in the past.

btw, for the ease of porting etc. with 8.20 the text client got its own package.

So we're waiting for the mingw port of the citclient from any of you ;-)



[#] Sat Sep 28 2013 21:44:13 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Sat Sep 28 2013 11:08:01 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored
 

btw, for the ease of porting etc. with 8.20 the text client got its own package.

So we're waiting for the mingw port of the citclient from any of you ;-)



Does that even run under Wine (mingw)? :-)



[#] Sun Sep 29 2013 10:27:16 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Zooer, give the text client v8.11 a try (at least it works against my 8.20
install).

Maybe this belongs in rants.

Something I don't get about modern software is nicknames and version numbers for software. When I was a young
lad you had a version number, it was sequential and the software updated every once in a while with major
changes. If it was a small change the number after the decimal point increased/ Now software updates every week
and the version number increases at a crazy rate. Linux has these very silly stupid names for their version
numbers and they like to use those names when referring to the release. However when you use help or most
commands to find out what version you have they have the version number and not the name.

I can never remember the command that lists the version number and the version name "lsb_release -a" so I have
to search for it, or search for
a list of names and numbers. Drives me crazy. Please stop using the silly
codenames or at least list both the version name and number in the details page.

Anyway... back on topic, I wanted to download 8.20 as suggested, I found "debian.citadel.org/ubuntu" but my
ubuntu version, precise aka 12.4, is not listed. Does it make a damn bit of difference? Can I download a newer
version of citadel-client and use it with a current version of the OS or is there some kind of magical thing
that if I don't match version names the developers (you guys) will come to my house, drag me out of my bed in
the middle of the night, cover me with grape jelly and confetti and beat me with cardboard?

I just want to download the software.
I know about putting the info in the repository, I didn't do that. I also thought I read there was a problem
with calling the external editor with the latest version of the client.

This isn't focused on you, it has happened several times to me.

[#] Sun Sep 29 2013 10:41:48 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I tried the suggested and it told me that a library was not satisfiable. There is no pleasing some libraries.
I am going going back to what I do. "It works, why f*<k with it"

[#] Sun Sep 29 2013 19:41:40 EDT from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Sun Sep 29 2013 10:41:48 AM EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
I tried the suggested and it told me that a library was not satisfiable. There is no pleasing some libraries.
I am going going back to what I do. "It works, why f*<k with it"

Sorry to hear about that.  I guess I have been doing an "easy_install" build of it for years on both the client and server ends.  I am not sure if you can do an easy_install build of just the client (but that would be a good thing to have added to the easy installer)!



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 05:14:11 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the citadel versioning scheme is:

x.yz

X - major new features

Y - evolutional new features

z - bugfix releases.

 

There currently is no citadel client .deb yet because of I didn't have the time to care for moving the scripts around.

However Feivel (our debian maintainer & uploader) has already done it, so you should be able to download & compile his work:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/citadel-client



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 11:23:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Thank you dothebart. My rant was more geared to the distributions of Linux and the foolish names they are
given. Firefox had to copy Chrome and update often, it just drives me nuts. Maybe because I am old school and
I remember programs working for years without changes.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 11:51:16 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Well I installed it (8.20-1).... the text based pixels seem nicer.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 11:53:39 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Someone said the external editor isn't called, I am using it.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 11:54:45 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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If you don't have a local editor does it call the server editor? Perhaps that was the problem.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 11:55:14 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Thank you for your help if it called "https" links I will be happy.

[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 13:53:04 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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the editor runs wherever your client runs. if its on your local box, then its run there; if you ssh in its on the server.



[#] Mon Sep 30 2013 14:26:31 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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It's the latter that is the issue here; there is no longer an external editor configured.

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