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[#] Tue Dec 17 2013 04:40:05 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Most of Citadel is actually an email server. Would you request Gmail to enable editing of mails that were sent to you or that you sent out to others? Does that even make sense?

Now, I can understand the wish to be able to edit wiki or blog posts, calendars and the notes/tasks. But emails?

On a side note: This is a project driven by a small bunch of developers, it does what it does and it does not do what it does not. The devs might add new features on request, but in order to do that, they need to find the time and motivation to do so. Nagging and ranting is probably not something that kicks off motivation a lot in open source projects.

Speaking of open source: That is this trend were people have open repositories of the code, which can even be downloaded, modified and if working, patches are allowed to be send back. That is not everyones favorite workflow, but it is pretty much what you get from a free open source project.

Another thing is the packaging (addressed in another post): If distros feel free to package software, they are the ones responsible for it. I am running Citadel on Redhat and Gentoo, both are community provided packages, both mostly the latest versions. I have not heard of or had any runtime issues on these systems. If Ubuntu chose to pull the crappiest running version from somewhere, roll it up and provide it to their users, it is up to them to fix it.

tldr: Holiday season at the end of the year is coming up, be kind and stop screaming, please. Cheers!



[#] Tue Dec 17 2013 20:53:54 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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I sympathize to an extent about the editing problem; I rather wish I could, too, but that's mostly because I still see Citadel primarily as a BBS that happens to do some other groupware-type stuff that I don't much care about. For the target audience, editing messages after the fact doesn't make much sense.

I don't think it's possible using the text client, either.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 04:19:18 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

On the other hand, fb and twatter do not let you edit (in a large style) either, from what I heard.



[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 10:19:40 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I am not sure about the web client, but you can hold a message, at which point you may edit the message later. It isn't made public, but you can edit it afterwards.

Are you wanting a way to edit messages that have already been posted?

I could see this as useful, although it's funny how many people don't want such a feature. I'd argue that if someone wanted to add such a feature, it ought to be enabled by a configuration option for the room, so certain rooms have the ability, while other rooms don't.

That way, for those who want to be able to edit messages, you can edit messages, but for those who don't, you can't.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 13:56:01 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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On the other hand, fb and twatter do not let you edit (in a large
style) either, from what I heard.

FB does, now.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 14:00:20 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II

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I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or
forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

IGgy can correct me, but I believe you have it reversed, the_mgt. It's a BBS that has been extended to include Groupware functionality...disable the SMTP, POP3 and IMAP ports, and what do you have?

A BBS.

For the purposes of emails, I agree...editing after the fact is "bad mojo"(tm), and that would go for rooms that have been set up to act as email listservs, as well...but for a general purpose, discussion room, it *could* be useful.

However, I agree with the earlier noted idea that if the requester wants items to be editable in a particular room, make that room a Wiki room.

Otherwise, editing messages after they've already been entered could lead to some very disingenuous situations.

[#] Wed Dec 18 2013 21:52:18 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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I don't know anything about how the back end works, but maybe there's a way to add another "type" of room that is BBS-like and has editable messages.

[#] Thu Dec 19 2013 02:53:16 EST from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Wed Dec 18 2013 14:00:20 EST from Freakdog @ Dog Pound BBS II
I like the idea too. As you said, if you see Citadel as a BBS and/or
forum, it would make sense. But it is based on emails.

IGgy can correct me, but I believe you have it reversed, the_mgt. It's a BBS that has been extended to include Groupware functionality...disable the SMTP, POP3 and IMAP ports, and what do you have?

A mail server that is only sending to and receiving from itself? ;P

I know that the history is like you described, but I guess technically it is all mail today. Besides, were the old BBS's editable?

 

Don't get me wrong, for a real forum/BBS room, I would like an edit feature to clean out typos, etc. , too. But knowing the little time the devs atm have for such features, I'd not expect it in any 8.x release.

My main point was btw to get the requesting person to relax. We all want our favorite features implemented ASAP, but most people ask for this in a polite way.



[#] Thu Dec 19 2013 22:38:18 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I do not recall being able to edit messages in the old modem-style BBSes of old. Once you sent the message out, it was out. You couldn't even delete it.

[#] Thu Dec 19 2013 22:38:28 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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(without admin privs, anyway, heh).

[#] Fri Dec 20 2013 22:53:05 EST from Sig @ Uncensored

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That jives with what I remember, too. However, being able to edit what you wrote is pretty much a common, expected thing in modern fora (e.g. phpBB, Discourse). Even Facebook lets you edit your typos.

[#] Sat Dec 21 2013 05:55:22 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Well, there is a technical complication.

Rooms in which messages are networked couldn't easily permit editing, as the edited message would need to be sent over the network. Plus, how would someone know if the person editing the message is the same person who originated the message... you'd have to ensure you could only edit the message from the same server that you wrote the message.

It would get rather complicated, without having looked at the original code myself.

[#] Sun Dec 22 2013 18:46:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The real technical complication is that Citadel's entire data model is built around the idea that a message, once committed to the store, is immutable.
Even in a Wiki room, pages are referenced by tags that point to a *new* message after editing.

I would like to find a way to make that sort of tag system work in a blog room. For an email message or something posted in a forum, not so much.
What you said is what you said and it's not fair to allow it to be changed.

[#] Sat Mar 01 2014 14:37:26 EST from mo @ Uncensored

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Just wandering through. I think editing of messages is required for some, but it is not a bad idea having "think first write once" functionality: stroke of genius infact!  B)

 



[#] Sat Mar 29 2014 10:00:55 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I like that I can use the text client with my cell phone, for all my Uncensored needs. Simple interface, really. But effective.

[#] Sat Mar 29 2014 12:45:05 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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How do you work with calendar data and contacts via the text client? It shows only the type of data when i have looked at it, but not the actual appointment etc/or contact.



[#] Sat Mar 29 2014 18:58:16 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I don't.

[#] Sat Mar 29 2014 23:16:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Unfortunately the text client is only usable for chewing the fat with your citadel buddies. It doesn't expose the PIM/Groupware type functions of the system.

[#] Sun Mar 30 2014 05:45:16 EDT from mo @ Uncensored

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Oh! I see! I had to ask after seeing someone using the text client on their phone.

Well we can still access the mail system so it's still very useful without the groupware features.

 

 



[#] Sun Mar 30 2014 13:32:08 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Yeah, I just like to be able to send or receive messages this way. I don't need the other stuff, really.

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