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[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 01:20:06 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I'm pretty patient. Ig is doing awesome stuff with Citadel right now - and I feel like there is a renewed interest in running small sites that are an alternative to big Social Media - and Citadel is really the best game in town for that, right now. 

 

Sun Jun 06 2021 14:47:41 EDT from Nurb432

If i remember right, a 'responsive' webcit is coming. 

Sun Jun 06 2021 11:52:24 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I really wish there was a mobile-browser friendly Citadel format - or better yet, Android and iOS front end apps for it.  



 



 



[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 02:16:17 EDT from smashbot64

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I don't know IG's position on the future of this software package, but here are my thoughts. 

Many inferior software "suites" that perform (largely at a lesser scale or stability level) are available for purchase. The proprietary ones have a company behind them that rhymes with Noracle, (well ok so F it, its Oracle). Citadel is GNU GPL released, so that means that ANYONE READING THIS is free to fork it to their own tune. 

This is where, I think, we recon with the age old concept of "Caveat Emptor".

My ruby on rails and PHP and C++ and VB skills are all in the same boat: I know how, but I am what Commodore BBS sysops have and still called "domesticated". (wife2.0/exwife/kids/dog/bills). This means, I can not reasonably stay up all night, consuming a whole sleeve of Coca Cola throughout the night to bang out the next release. (I am talking commodore, I never had a citadel release). These days, it might look like burning through a 30 pack but that's another story.

What I have noticed is that making change happen for citadel, adding features, making citadel do more things, requires development for conjoined twins. If I want citadel to perform a function it currently does not,  I have to make sure it flows as equally as possible and is as functionally accurate as possible between webcit and textcit. Webcit is pretty much javascript, html and xml. But- I cut my teeth on text, so naturally, webcit needs to work nicely with textcit. THIS IS HARD. Lots of peeps could just add shit to webcit, but then the whole reason citadel is what it is- a bbs with a web face, gets lost.

I may be in the dark, or maybe I have been gone so long from activity that I missed if this has already happened but, 

I propose directing more interest to the current incarnation of citadel to its sourceforge presence.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/citadel

Others might be attracted to the code, and contribute.

 

Sun Jun 06 2021 11:52:24 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

But I do agree, the high contrast theme of Smashbot is easier on my old eyes and I find it easier to find the buttons. 

I really wish there was a mobile-browser friendly Citadel format - or better yet, Android and iOS front end apps for it. I know you can point a mail client at it, and I guess that would get something like the same result - but a mobile app or mobile web version would be awesome. 


Some of these things, I've discussed with Ig in the past - and his argument - and I can see it - is that he doesn't want to add the same kind of vapid features that are present in most mainstream social media sites, like "like" buttons - or that the way that Citadel handles message stores and what not makes it difficult or impossible to implement some of these features without rewriting all of the core logic. 

 

 



 



[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 02:34:43 EDT from smashbot64

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and the last commit was 2007. come on.

 



[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 10:35:13 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I think the SourceForge was abandoned a long time ago as kind of a different direction and approach than Citadel takes. 

I *like* this about Citadel. It has always stood apart from the "expected norms" of technology - and it still does today. Back during the start, it was "Menu Driven BBS formats". 

"I can't undertstand Citadel, it is too difficult and confusing. Why doesn't it have a menu driven interface like every other BBS. That is why Citadel sucks and I don't use it!" 

"That isn't a problem... it is a FEATURE..." 

:) 

Mon Jun 07 2021 02:34:43 EDT from smashbot64

and the last commit was 2007. come on.

 



 



[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 11:35:54 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Some of these things, I've discussed with Ig in the past - and his
argument - and I can see it - is that he doesn't want to add the same
kind of vapid features that are present in most mainstream social

Citadel is a lot of things to a lot of people. As the "upstream" we have to stay as generic as possible. If someone wants to maintain specific clients for specific workloads (for example, a web client focused on BBS workloads only) I'd be thrilled to see that. The core team only has so much time to go around.

[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 11:45:03 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If i remember right, a 'responsive' webcit is coming. 

Yes ... the basic framework is all written and tested, and the front end will resume development soon. It stalled because a couple of "side quests" were taken to clean up some loose ends and make the base system even easier to install (such as the AppImage, which theoretically will make Citadel as easy to install as an MS-DOS program, just download it and run it).

webcit-ng is fully REST/DAV architecture with the UI running on the client browser. This means that it will be even easier to write custom web applications that run on top of Citadel.

But it will still be some time before it's ready.

[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 11:52:14 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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conjoined twins. If I want citadel to perform a function it currently
does not,  I have to make sure it flows as equally as possible and
is as functionally accurate as possible between webcit and textcit.

Sort of.

WebCit is intended to expose the full set of features of the Citadel system: email, forums, calendars, contacts, blog, wiki, chat, all of the groupware and content management stuff has to work 100% inside of WebCit. (In the future I would like to make it configurable so that a site can choose not to expose the features they don't need, but that's another discussion.)

The text client is intended *specifically* for BBS workloads. It does not expose the full Citadel feature set. All you will see is the functionality of an old-school BBS: forums, email, and chat. It doesn't run the calendar.
It doesn't give you access to your contacts. Wiki doesn't work, notes doesn't work, blogging works but you see those rooms as if they were regular forums in which you can only <R>eply to existing messages unless you're the blog owner.

[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 12:08:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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What does "responsive" mean in this context? 

 

Sun Jun 06 2021 14:47:41 EDT from Nurb432

If i remember right, a 'responsive' webcit is coming. 

Sun Jun 06 2021 11:52:24 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I really wish there was a mobile-browser friendly Citadel format - or better yet, Android and iOS front end apps for it.  



 



 



[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 13:07:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's a buzzword that means the site automatically adjusts its layout to look good on any size device. Some people use it to mean other things.

[#] Mon Jun 07 2021 20:33:00 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Thank you. :) 

 

Mon Jun 07 2021 13:07:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

It's a buzzword that means the site automatically adjusts its layout to look good on any size device. Some people use it to mean other things.

 



[#] Wed Jun 09 2021 22:48:00 EDT from smashbot64

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Quite honestly, i have a galaxy s9 and a galaxy 21 something and citadel as it curls up from the current build IS ALREADY displayed nicely on my android devices.

 

 

Mon Jun 07 2021 12:08:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

What does "responsive" mean in this context? 

 

Sun Jun 06 2021 14:47:41 EDT from Nurb432

If i remember right, a 'responsive' webcit is coming. 

Sun Jun 06 2021 11:52:24 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I really wish there was a mobile-browser friendly Citadel format - or better yet, Android and iOS front end apps for it.  



 



 



 



[#] Thu Jun 10 2021 01:57:28 EDT from test2

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I access citadel using my iphone web browser.  works fine.

 

Wed Jun 09 2021 10:48:00 PM EDT from smashbot64

Quite honestly, i have a galaxy s9 and a galaxy 21 something and citadel as it curls up from the current build IS ALREADY displayed nicely on my android devices.

 

 

Mon Jun 07 2021 12:08:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

What does "responsive" mean in this context? 

 

Sun Jun 06 2021 14:47:41 EDT from Nurb432

If i remember right, a 'responsive' webcit is coming. 

Sun Jun 06 2021 11:52:24 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I really wish there was a mobile-browser friendly Citadel format - or better yet, Android and iOS front end apps for it.  



 



 



 



 



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