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[#] Fri May 07 2021 12:41:39 EDT from Nurb432

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Fri May 07 2021 12:24:05 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Perhaps. I don't think of it that way. Instead, I choose to acknowledge the One who *made* the table, the casino the table is in, and the universe the casino is in.



[#] Fri May 07 2021 17:44:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If we're using casino metaphors, FSM is that dude who got killed in Ocean's Eleven.

[#] Tue May 11 2021 00:14:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Which is the strongest bet you can make on that side of the table - and you probably shouldn't lay your money down on Pascal's Wager without thinking that your bet is a sure thing. 

 


Fri May 07 2021 12:24:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Perhaps. I don't think of it that way. Instead, I choose to acknowledge the One who *made* the table, the casino the table is in, and the universe the casino is in.

 



[#] Sat May 15 2021 16:45:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Which is the strongest bet you can make on that side of the table -

If I were going to do Pascal's Wager I would have remained enslaved to the Roman Catholic Church, with all of its weird sacraments and proprietary extensions to Christianity.

[#] Sat May 15 2021 22:27:16 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I've already said, if you bet on the flying sphagetti monster with faith, and that pans out, you're still a bigger winner than an Atheist. 

The entire argument is - from the perspective *solely* of Pascal's Wager - a bet on God is a *better paying* bet than even *winning* on the Atheist side of the table - unless atheism allows you to do depraved things without guilt. 

This is just simple secular logic. 

The Atheist wager on Pascal's Wager *only* pays off if you're a fucking horrible person and you JUST wink out when you die. It is basically Bill Gates' wager. "Fuck everyone, you only get 80 years on average. Make them count." 

 

 

Fri May 07 2021 12:41:39 EDT from Nurb432

 

Fri May 07 2021 12:24:05 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Perhaps. I don't think of it that way. Instead, I choose to acknowledge the One who *made* the table, the casino the table is in, and the universe the casino is in.



 



[#] Sat May 15 2021 22:27:53 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Still a better bet than Atheism. 

 

Sat May 15 2021 16:45:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Which is the strongest bet you can make on that side of the table -

If I were going to do Pascal's Wager I would have remained enslaved to the Roman Catholic Church, with all of its weird sacraments and proprietary extensions to Christianity.

 



[#] Sat May 15 2021 22:34:02 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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This may be the problem. I'm looking at Pascal's Wager as a purely logical, non-personal wager proposition devoid of personal biases or desired outcomes. 

I'm working the *numbers* like a Jockey reading the racing forum before the race. Purely statics. 

Atheism is probably the biggest *favorite* with the LOWEST payoff. You'll win less of a payoff on a win than you paid for your ticket. 

Jockey's have a phrase for this, "you can't win for losing". 

The fact that the ATHEISTS are just as trigger by this as the *theists* -basically illustrates that atheism *is* a faith based belief felt with the devotion of the religiously convicted. 

They find the denial of their NON-GOD as sacreligious as the theists find the rejection of their God. 

Because - they're ultimately the same.

 

*pissing on everyone's leg*

 



[#] Sun May 16 2021 14:33:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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The fact that the ATHEISTS are just as trigger by this as the *theists* -basically illustrates that atheism *is* a faith based belief felt with the devotion of the religiously convicted. 


They find the denial of their NON-GOD as sacreligious as the theists find the rejection of their God. 

Agreed, and they get REALLY upset when you point that out to them.  They insist that atheism and absence of religion are the same thing.  They aren't.



[#] Mon May 17 2021 01:13:52 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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What I get is "a-theism means absence of faith, devoid of theistic belief." 

Yeah, and you're practicing that the same way AntiFa is practicing anti-fascism. Just because you stick a feather in your butt, does not mean you're a chicken. 

 

Sun May 16 2021 14:33:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

The fact that the ATHEISTS are just as trigger by this as the *theists* -basically illustrates that atheism *is* a faith based belief felt with the devotion of the religiously convicted. 


They find the denial of their NON-GOD as sacreligious as the theists find the rejection of their God. 

Agreed, and they get REALLY upset when you point that out to them.  They insist that atheism and absence of religion are the same thing.  They aren't.



 



[#] Mon May 17 2021 07:49:37 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-05-15 16:45 from IGnatius T Foobar
Which is the strongest bet you can make on that side of the table -


If I were going to do Pascal's Wager I would have remained enslaved to

the Roman Catholic Church, with all of its weird sacraments and
proprietary extensions to Christianity.




If you were playing Pascal Wager then protestantism would be a suboptimal choice, actually.

[#] Mon May 17 2021 07:51:48 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-05-15 22:34 from ParanoidDelusions
This may be the problem. I'm looking at Pascal's Wager as a purely
logical, non-personal wager proposition devoid of personal biases or
desired outcomes. 


False.

[#] Mon May 17 2021 10:28:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yeah, and you're practicing that the same way AntiFa is practicing
anti-fascism. Just because you stick a feather in your butt, does not
mean you're a chicken. 

Heh. That's pretty much it. Militant atheists tend to be some of the most dogmatic people you'll ever meet. The FFRF people, for example, dedicate enormous amounts of time and energy to proselytization. They are exactly what they claim to hate the most.

[#] Mon May 17 2021 11:20:34 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Ah... you're not angry at me about Linux... 

You're angry at me about God. 

Still a better choice than Atheism, though. ;) 

 

Mon May 17 2021 07:49:37 EDT from darknetuser
2021-05-15 16:45 from IGnatius T Foobar
Which is the strongest bet you can make on that side of the table -


If I were going to do Pascal's Wager I would have remained enslaved to

the Roman Catholic Church, with all of its weird sacraments and
proprietary extensions to Christianity.




If you were playing Pascal Wager then protestantism would be a suboptimal choice, actually.

 



[#] Mon May 17 2021 11:21:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I feel like every post you've made recently has shown that you're 180 degrees from the correct answer. 

 

Mon May 17 2021 07:51:48 EDT from darknetuser
2021-05-15 22:34 from ParanoidDelusions
This may be the problem. I'm looking at Pascal's Wager as a purely
logical, non-personal wager proposition devoid of personal biases or
desired outcomes. 


False.

 



[#] Mon May 17 2021 15:56:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I'm not angry at all.  You're free to make poor choices as long as they don't impact me.



[#] Mon May 17 2021 17:23:44 EDT from Nurb432

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Ditto. 

That is how everyone should live their lives.  "Go be  you, and ill go be me"

Mon May 17 2021 03:56:46 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I'm not angry at all.  You're free to make poor choices as long as they don't impact me.



 



[#] Mon May 17 2021 22:26:11 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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That was at Darknetuser... 

But I see how the formatting could lead you to believe it was directed at you. 


Mon May 17 2021 15:56:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

I'm not angry at all.  You're free to make poor choices as long as they don't impact me.



 



[#] Wed May 19 2021 04:30:23 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-05-17 10:28 from IGnatius T Foobar
Yeah, and you're practicing that the same way AntiFa is practicing

anti-fascism. Just because you stick a feather in your butt, does not


mean you're a chicken.

Heh. That's pretty much it. Militant atheists tend to be some of the

most dogmatic people you'll ever meet. The FFRF people, for example,

dedicate enormous amounts of time and energy to proselytization. They

are exactly what they claim to hate the most.



I am not familiar with FFRF, but I have some passing experience with organized Skepticism, and I can tell you *those* are dogmatic as heck.

[#] Wed May 19 2021 14:51:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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FFRF = "Freedom From Religion Foundation". They're a bunch of ultra-militant atheists out of Wisconsin who lobby for the removal of other religions anywhere and everywhere. They operate under the false assumption that "freedom OF religion means freedom FROM religion." These people are 100% guaranteed to burn in hell, at which point they might reconsider their position.

[#] Wed May 19 2021 19:47:28 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Assuming they played a losing hand on Pascal's Wager. ;) 

Yeah... the idea that the establishment clause means "zero-tolerance on generic religious expression in functions of the State" is silly. It isn't even close to the plainly evident truth. 

 

 

Wed May 19 2021 14:51:15 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
FFRF = "Freedom From Religion Foundation". They're a bunch of ultra-militant atheists out of Wisconsin who lobby for the removal of other religions anywhere and everywhere. They operate under the false assumption that "freedom OF religion means freedom FROM religion." These people are 100% guaranteed to burn in hell, at which point they might reconsider their position.

 



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