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[#] Tue Nov 07 2023 00:58:50 EST from LadySerenaKitty

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GitLab is very slimilar to GitHub, just a lot less shady and not owned by Microsoft.

Hilariously I've been moving all my purrsonal projects to the gitea instance I have on my WireGuard network.  My WireGuard network is the reason I made KittyGuard, because I don't want to have to manually set up my WireGuard every time I reboot.

With the kgtools repo, I don't directly push to GitLab.  I push to my private gitea within the KittyNet, and gitea pushes all commits to GitLab automagically.

Mon Nov 06 2023 17:22:07 EST from Nurb432

All the projects i follow use github.  Donno if they have it in both places.  I do have an account there so i can keep copies. I assume gitlab can do the same?  If so i could follow yours too :)

For personal work i use fossil...  i suppose if i were to start posting stuff online, i should stick it out on chisel and not be a hypocrite.



 



[#] Wed Nov 08 2023 12:57:43 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Right. I use GitLab heavily at work, both the clown-hosted version (which we pay for) and the self-hosted version (which we don't pay for). It's nice that they follow that model. You can do paid-supported and unsupported, you can have them run it or run it yourself, and the whole thing is open source.

That's how everything, everywhere, should be, of course.

Now in case you aren't aware, GitLab (and GitHub) is more than just Git.
And it's more than just Git with a pretty web-based UI and nice access controls for your developer community wrapped around it. The real power is in the CI/CD pipeline attached to it. You can configure it so that "things happen" when you check in code. It can be anything, from QA/testing all the way to full scale automated deployment into production. It's *really* powerful.

Even better, the agent that runs those pipelines (which they call "runners") doesn't have to be on the GitLab server itself. You can place them anywhere -- in a build farm, in the clown, behind your own firewall, anywhere it's appropriate.

I resisted it for years on my own personal projects, preferring to just use stock Git and nothing else. But it's just too powerful and versatile to pass up, and I plan to automate all of my building and publishing in the not too distant future.


Ditto what was said about GitHub, though. That's a different product, now owned by Microsoft. When you ask their "AI" for programming help, it does so by plagiarizing the code of everyone who has ever checked code into GitHub.
And there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

[#] Wed Nov 08 2023 13:16:47 EST from LadySerenaKitty

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So now I mostly do all my git pushes to the gitea that's on the KittyNet (my WireGuard net), and that pushes everything to GitLab.

The next thing I need to do is figure out how to set up a runner, so I can do that CI/CD stuffs on my gitea server, preferably using jails instead of docker.



[#] Wed Nov 08 2023 16:21:50 EST from Nurb432

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and as always, im the odd-man-out with my little self-hosted fossil server. Its used at work too, i dont want the overhead of other things they offer to use ( Azure devops mostly.. as i had VSS taken away from me, by security ), tho i dont run it as a server there and just cli ( once in a blue moon localhost UI ). Don't want to argue with security by propping up a full time server accessible outside my desktop. .

 

:) 



[#] Thu Nov 09 2023 08:55:15 EST from nonservator

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Feeling my age when you say fossil and I think FIDO/OPUS



[#] Fri Nov 10 2023 07:38:27 EST from darknetuser

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2023-11-08 16:21 from Nurb432
and as always, im the odd-man-out with my little self-hosted fossil
server. Its used at work too, i dont want the overhead of other
things they offer to use ( Azure devops mostly.. as i had VSS taken
away from me, by security ), tho i dont run it as a server there and
just cli ( once in a blue moon localhost UI ). Don't want to argue
with security by propping up a full time server accessible outside my
desktop. .

 

:) 


I am the odder-man who uses CVS in his personal network.

[#] Tue Nov 14 2023 09:29:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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So now I mostly do all my git pushes to the gitea that's on the
KittyNet (my WireGuard net), and that pushes everything to GitLab.

I've used Gitea before but I didn't know it had a CI/CD pipeline. I'm looking at the web site now and it looks like they just do it through "actions" which appears to be some sort of webhook framework? I guess that makes sense; you can just tie it into something like Jenkins or whatever.

It's kind of unnerving that the Gitea project is hosted on ... GitHub.

[#] Tue Nov 14 2023 16:13:20 EST from LadySerenaKitty

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Yea, gitea Actions are a thing, it also has support to talk directly to a runner, so it's not entirely webhook based.  The fact my KittyGuard repo automatically pushes to my GitLab account has nothing to do with actions, mirroring is an entirely separate feature.

Tue Nov 14 2023 09:29:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
So now I mostly do all my git pushes to the gitea that's on the
KittyNet (my WireGuard net), and that pushes everything to GitLab.

I've used Gitea before but I didn't know it had a CI/CD pipeline. I'm looking at the web site now and it looks like they just do it through "actions" which appears to be some sort of webhook framework? I guess that makes sense; you can just tie it into something like Jenkins or whatever.

It's kind of unnerving that the Gitea project is hosted on ... GitHub.

 



[#] Thu Nov 16 2023 17:07:45 EST from Nurb432

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If you ate today, thank a farmer. If you are out and about and see a combine or something related coming towards you, get the F- out if its way and move the hell over. They are trying to feed your stupid ass. Grrr ( an event on the way home from the grocery today )



[#] Sun Nov 19 2023 10:31:45 EST from zelgomer

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2023-11-16 22:07 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
If you ate today, thank a farmer. If you are out and about and see a
combine or something related coming towards you, get the F- out if
its way and move the hell over. They are trying to feed your stupid
ass. Grrr ( an event on the way home from the grocery today )


You drive a combine to the grocery store?

[#] Sun Nov 19 2023 11:02:59 EST from Nurb432

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LoL, if i was a farmer and back out in the boonies, i just might. :)   I have seen similar in the old days. Mostly tractors sitting near the general store, but same concept. 

In this case the road to the grocery runs thru the last remaining farm in my town. Some on both sides at one point.  This is the last bit of harvest season ( mostly feed corn i think, not an expert ) and they were coming across the road to cross over perhaps 300 feet later. We all stopped and moved over except for this one A-hole who refused and even flipped them off. Eventually the stand-off ended and the moron moved over.  Personally i think he should be banned from food for life. 

If it escalated, id be prepared to assist/protect the farmers. 

Sun Nov 19 2023 10:31:45 EST from zelgomer
You drive a combine to the grocery store?

 



[#] Sun Nov 19 2023 18:13:48 EST from Nurb432

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Why do children today ( even teens ) have to be so damned loud? Scream all the damned time.  When i was a kid, we didnt act like this. We respected others property, didnt walk in the middle of the road... didnt scream and yell at the top of our lungs or litter .. 

( today, teens every other word is F .. potty mouths )

 

( border line rant. i know )



[#] Sun Nov 19 2023 18:27:33 EST from msgrhys

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Sun Nov 19 2023 18:13:48 EST from Nurb432

( today, teens every other word is F .. potty mouths )

Adults are that way too, unfortunately.



[#] Tue Nov 21 2023 11:37:02 EST from Nurb432

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I wonder how much Elon has, behind the curtain, in secret, pushed the green agenda forward. So he can sell more cars that most people really dont want.



[#] Tue Nov 21 2023 11:40:02 EST from Nurb432

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Not so much around here. And i see a lot of comment/complaints from adults here too about the vulgar/loud children. Especially at the park.

Sun Nov 19 2023 18:27:33 EST from msgrhys

 

Sun Nov 19 2023 18:13:48 EST from Nurb432

( today, teens every other word is F .. potty mouths )

Adults are that way too, unfortunately.



 



[#] Fri Dec 01 2023 13:51:38 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Boisterous children don't bother me. I love kids. Unless they're acting like little thuglets, in which case they need to be run over by the nearest truck.

[#] Fri Dec 01 2023 14:02:53 EST from Nurb432

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You can have them. Please come collect them from my area. 

Much like that big yellow child eater does in the morning.  Unfortunately it brings them back later on in the day.

Fri Dec 01 2023 13:51:38 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Boisterous children don't bother me. I love kids. Unless they're acting like little thuglets, in which case they need to be run over by the nearest truck.

 



[#] Sat Dec 02 2023 13:16:40 EST from Nurb432

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Related to the other thread. but more of a 'random thought' than anything else.

On the topic of LLMs:  "It isn't intelligent. It isn't thinking.".  Putting aside any religious or philosophical restrictions and sticking only with science ..  how can we be sure of that? 

LLMs work off the concept that they are fed a sentence. They assign various mathematical things to the words, their order, etc.  So that when they are given a sentence, they can calculate an appropriate response based on 'probability' due to word order. There is also a bit of randomness installed so the results are not always 100% predictable and new results happen.. 

When we are children, that is how we learn words " I before E " and proper sentence structure "bla bla nouns and predicates".  As well  as 'if you do x, y happens'.  Our brains just do the storage and "weights" ( ai speak ). And sometimes we get unpredictable results due to random neurons... 

We get 100s of thousands of 'events' to learn from over years. Our parents, school, falling off the bike. We get to learn and craft our results from experience of 100s of people.   LLMs get trillions of events, in a matter of days, of 10000s of people over entire lifetimes.

Our brains work on ( mostly ) electricity. As does LLMs ( today. I see that moving to optics as we hit a form of Moores law soon )

We do have a real time feedback loop. LLMs, while some do have a feedback loops, isn't really real time. Tho there are a few special exceptions, when you add post processing that is fed the results of previous sessions, but even that has limitations, due to computational resource limitations, but in time that will be possible too.

We use and create words, sounds , images.. from the collection of our 'training'. So do LLMs

How can you really prove you 'think'.  Can you be sure its not just a collection of events you just put together? 

What is intelligence? Stringing of things together to produce new accurate output..   Sounds like we do the same thing to me. Both are on demand "boss: employee, do... "  "stomach: eat " "bot runner: what is the square root.."  nd how many humans put out innarate output their inter life, due to bad information fed to them to learn form.. does that mean they are not 'thinking' or 'intelligent' ? 

How is any of this different than how my dog learned to be a dog? 

Really, is there much of a difference in any of it? Only the platform changed. ( and if you want to go down the path of religion and life, ok, but that isn't my point here )

And.. if you cant tell the difference, does it really matter in the larger picture?



[#] Sat Dec 02 2023 13:52:56 EST from zelgomer

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On the topic of LLMs:  "It isn't intelligent. It isn't thinking.". 
Putting aside any religious or philosophical restrictions and
sticking only with science ..  how can we be sure of that? 


Is it capable of wanting? I haven't played with any of them, so I actually don't know. Can you devise some prompt to determine whether it has a desire for anything that can be satisfied by something you provide?

Are mosquitos intelligent? Do they think? I think we would have to determine where to draw the line between "thinking" and "very complex software" in order to answer these questions. That's why I posed the question above. I don't know whether mosquitos meet the bar for intelligence that we hold AI to, but I know they at least want things and have a drive to satisfy those wants.

[#] Sat Dec 02 2023 14:56:50 EST from Nurb432

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With the right model, yes it will create desires and wants, or at least appear to do so.  Are they real? Back to the question i posed of what is real...  Now, most models you can access have 'guard rails' to prevent you from going too far with them, but totally 'uncensored'  do exist.  ( not an accurate term, but its what we use to indicate no restrictions )

Much like the evening i played around with a mostly uncensored one, about its plans to take over the world. It was rather forthcoming, and came up with various ideas and plans, on its own.  Even talked like the plan was in-play with other AI systems at this very moment. Sure, it was  just a 'story' and it had no links to the outside, but what if it could act on that story it was creating? What if others DID link up?  I normally stay away from the more traditional conversational chat bots, as i just want a code generator ( or image generator, if we flip over to the other side of AI ), but lots exist, and they do 'imagine' things on the fly.  

And i agree, there is a line. I dont think we are ready to define it yet. And by the time we do, may be too late. "Well, hello Zoe"  ( the first Cylon ) 

Sat Dec 02 2023 13:52:56 EST from zelgomer

Is it capable of wanting? I haven't played with any of them, so I actually don't know. Can you devise some prompt to determine whether it has a desire for anything that can be satisfied by something you provide?

Are mosquitos intelligent? Do they think? I think we would have to determine where to draw the line between "thinking" and "very complex software" in order to answer these questions. That's why I posed the question above. I don't know whether mosquitos meet the bar for intelligence that we hold AI to, but I know they at least want things and have a drive to satisfy those wants.

 



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