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[#] Fri Jan 29 2021 14:14:03 EST from darknetuser

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2021-01-25 19:55 from Nurb432
Who would certify it? 
Mon Jan 25 2021 12:27:17 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

Sure would be nice if there was such a thing as "certified
de-googled android"




Richard Stallman of course.

Oh, wait, he was sacrificed to the SJWgods. Fat chance, then.

[#] Fri Jan 29 2021 15:23:06 EST from LoanShark

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he's also pretty certifiable.

[#] Sat Feb 06 2021 10:57:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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I wonder if there's anyone left who still thinks anything of Stallman. Open source people don't like him because he's a lunatic. Technolibertarians don't like him because he's a commie. SJW's don't like him because he did something or said something or something.

Quite frankly I don't even understand how he manages to continue existing, when he doesn't have a job and seems to have boycotted everything in the world.

[#] Sat Feb 06 2021 14:36:42 EST from Nurb432

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I suspect he was saving up during his life, knowing the gravy train wont last forever.  I am sure he amassed a small fortune for speaking, etc. over the decades  He's not stupid and i doubt he wasted it.  He may a bit 'out there', but hes often right at the core, in his own strange way.  His biggest problem is zero filter and sometimes picking the wrong battle.

Would we be here today without people like that willing to get in your face and tell it like it is, consequences be dammed? I donno.

 

 

Sat Feb 06 2021 10:57:19 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
I wonder if there's anyone left who still thinks anything of Stallman. Open source people don't like him because he's a lunatic. Technolibertarians don't like him because he's a commie. SJW's don't like him because he did something or said something or something.

Quite frankly I don't even understand how he manages to continue existing, when he doesn't have a job and seems to have boycotted everything in the world.

 



[#] Sat Feb 06 2021 14:52:30 EST from Nurb432

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Looks like hes still doing events. Has one this week

 

https://stallman.org/index.html



[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 10:33:02 EST from LoanShark

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wasted it.  He may a bit 'out there', but hes often right at the
core, in his own strange way.  His biggest problem is zero filter
and sometimes picking the wrong battle.

His biggest problem is that he's clearly a dyed-in-the-wool Aspie with a completely inflexible mindset. This mindset has driven him to do some great things, but I suspect it's been an overall negative for his quality of life.

You're quite possibly right about the speaking fees just going straight to the bank. I suspect he has lived a simple life and doesn't spend much, because he's not interested in much outside of his core obsessions. This is the guy who slept on a cot in the CSAIL centre for years. He doesn't want much.

[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 11:22:21 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think non-aspies don't understand that aspies generally DGAF what people think of them. Or at least, not much, and not for long. 

It is why the condition survives. A "normie" would surely commit suicide, I think - but if you're high-functioning - you just don't *understand*, but you don't feel the same emotions about it a "normie" would feel - and you learn to fake it if you can so you fit in. 

Would be my guess, anyhow. 

 

Sun Feb 07 2021 10:33:02 EST from LoanShark
wasted it.  He may a bit 'out there', but hes often right at the
core, in his own strange way.  His biggest problem is zero filter
and sometimes picking the wrong battle.

His biggest problem is that he's clearly a dyed-in-the-wool Aspie with a completely inflexible mindset. This mindset has driven him to do some great things, but I suspect it's been an overall negative for his quality of life.

You're quite possibly right about the speaking fees just going straight to the bank. I suspect he has lived a simple life and doesn't spend much, because he's not interested in much outside of his core obsessions. This is the guy who slept on a cot in the CSAIL centre for years. He doesn't want much.

 



[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 11:26:09 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I think we think of it as a "condition," that makes it hard to function and fit in to normal society. 

But, I think it may also be a specialized adaptation that in many cases is a superior evolution in human evolution and is frequently responsible for great leaps forward in the human condition overall. They see things and do things a normal person never would - because they're less burdened by GAF what a normal person thinks about that. Less unconscious dishonesty about things that are evident but not spoken of. 



Sun Feb 07 2021 11:22:21 EST from ParanoidDelusions



Would be my guess, anyhow. 

 

 

 



 



[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 13:25:26 EST from Nurb432

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Emotions are for the weak.

Just ask any Vulcan. 



[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 13:33:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Would we be here today without people like that willing to get in
your face and tell it like it is, consequences be dammed? I donno.

Eric Raymond (who seems to be MIA since last September) once pointed out that Stallman's initial work on things like GCC may have helped to bootstrap the open source universe, but that his abrasive rhetoric probably held its mainstream emergence back by at least a decade.

The worldwide open source effort is not a business, but one thing I know (Ragnar pointed this out to me years ago and I've never observed it being untrue) is that to launch a successful business you generally need three people: someone who is a visionary, someone who knows how to execute, and someone who is good with finances. It is rare to find a leader who has two of these qualities, let alone all three.

Perhaps for the open source revolution we can eliminate the finance leader because it is not a business. Stallman can be credited with the vision; he clearly envisioned a world where the fabric of standard computing was a shared and free code base. Even if you don't like him (and I don't), you have to give that to him. But we needed someone who could execute -- people like Eric Raymond -- to make it actually happen at scale.

Ah, here's the article: "Shut Up And Show Them The Code" by ESR.

[ https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/1999062802310NWSM ]

[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 16:28:44 EST from Nurb432

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In case it wasn't clear, i also am not a fan of him personally, as he is a nut job. But i do agree, he had the vision that others made happen.  Could it all have have happened anyway and someone have stepped up at some point? Perhaps, but he did get the current ball rolling and his 'i dont care' outspoken ( and controversial ) nature was instrumental to the forming of the movement that we did get, and benefit from every day..

 

I think if he had got it moving, waved his flag a bit to get everyone heading the same direction, then got the hell out of the way, history would be a lot kinder to him.



[#] Sun Feb 07 2021 17:08:18 EST from Nurb432

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He has a tweet in late December. 

Sun Feb 07 2021 13:33:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Eric Raymond (who seems to be MIA since last September) 

 



[#] Fri Feb 12 2021 09:30:40 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Blaming it on one person seems hyperbolic. This attitude is pervasive in the FOSS community. Not just Linux - and not just FOSS - but FOSS in particular. The brilliant guys who develop both MiSTer and Vampire are both abrasive with terrible social skills and no sense of being customer oriented. 

Everyone in IT who isn't a developer knows that you need some kind of marketing/sales/service team between the guys who develop and engineer and architect and regular people - *throughout* the industry. 

"Socially maladjusted" is just a synonym for "The IT Department." 

 

Sun Feb 07 2021 13:33:29 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Would we be here today without people like that willing to get in
your face and tell it like it is, consequences be dammed? I donno.

Eric Raymond (who seems to be MIA since last September) once pointed out that Stallman's initial work on things like GCC may have helped to bootstrap the open source universe, but that his abrasive rhetoric probably held its mainstream emergence back by at least a decade.

 



[#] Fri Feb 12 2021 14:42:39 EST from Nurb432

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Funny thing is, when i got into IT as a career, aside from being my hobby, i figured it would be low-person-contact career.

Of course it was the early days, and things have changed over time, but how wrong i was is amazing.. I think at times, we are more out there with people than many other career options.



[#] Fri Feb 12 2021 19:59:12 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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The thing I love most about my current job (which I started 20 years ago this month) is that I would never have to deal with end users again. End users are annoying. I was ready to murder the next person who said "I can't print!"

Moving into the data center business, I only had to deal with other IT pros.

The problem with the big expansion of technology, though, is that it brought a lot of people into the business that have no business being among us.

[#] Sat Feb 13 2021 00:34:01 EST from arabella

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Fri Feb 12 2021 02:42:39 PM EST from Nurb432

Funny thing is, when i got into IT as a career, aside from being my hobby, i figured it would be low-person-contact career.

Of course it was the early days, and things have changed over time, but how wrong i was is amazing.. I think at times, we are more out there with people than many other career options.



Trucking.

You'll wanna be alone most of the time?

Be a Trucker



[#] Sat Feb 13 2021 03:09:41 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Truckers are hardly ever alone. They almost always have a hooker or hitchhiker tied up in the living area behind the cab. 

 

Sorry for being honest. 

 

Sat Feb 13 2021 00:34:01 EST from arabella

 

Fri Feb 12 2021 02:42:39 PM EST from Nurb432

Funny thing is, when i got into IT as a career, aside from being my hobby, i figured it would be low-person-contact career.

Of course it was the early days, and things have changed over time, but how wrong i was is amazing.. I think at times, we are more out there with people than many other career options.



Trucking.

You'll wanna be alone most of the time?

Be a Trucker



 



[#] Sat Feb 13 2021 05:34:16 EST from darknetuser

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2021-02-06 10:57 from IGnatius T Foobar
I wonder if there's anyone left who still thinks anything of Stallman.

Open source people don't like him because he's a lunatic.
Technolibertarians don't like him because he's a commie. SJW's don't

like him because he did something or said something or something.

Quite frankly I don't even understand how he manages to continue
existing, when he doesn't have a job and seems to have boycotted
everything in the world.



I have often been wondering this myself.

I bet he is living off the stock investments he made while he was making money as an FSF representative.

[#] Sat Feb 13 2021 07:22:01 EST from zooer

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There are a lot of truck teams that are spouses. One drives, the other sleeps or is in break mode. 



[#] Sat Feb 13 2021 07:53:36 EST from Nurb432

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Actually, for a while working on an assembly line in one of the big 3 looked appealing.  Decent money, sit there at your station and do stuff for 8 or 10 hours.  Then go home and dont have to worry about being called back in at 1 am due to network problems on the 2nd shift or something. 

Sat Feb 13 2021 00:34:01 EST from arabella

 

Fri Feb 12 2021 02:42:39 PM EST from Nurb432

Funny thing is, when i got into IT as a career, aside from being my hobby, i figured it would be low-person-contact career.

Of course it was the early days, and things have changed over time, but how wrong i was is amazing.. I think at times, we are more out there with people than many other career options.



Trucking.

You'll wanna be alone most of the time?

Be a Trucker



 



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