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[#] Fri Jul 29 2011 16:49:06 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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no tactile response is not a winning situation.

There is only the IBM Model M keyboard. All else is dross. If your keyboard does not clack (not click, *clack*) on both the down and up strokes, you need a real keyboard.

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 05:11:04 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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Fr Jul 29 2011 16:49:06 EDT von IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
no tactile response is not a winning situation.

There is only the IBM Model M keyboard. All else is dross. If your keyboard does not clack (not click, *clack*) on both the down and up strokes, you need a real keyboard.

Cherry g80-5000

rather noisy, but no click.

yes, these IBM ones are nice. if you're alone in the dark ;-)

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 11:10:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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In other news:

Internet Explorer users are stupid.

Don't take my word for it -- read the study: [ ]


[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 11:16:43 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Heh, call me strange, but I have always enjoyed Alps and Cherry keyswitches more than buckling spring boards. The two that I use (Matias Tactile Pro 3 and Focus FK-2000 (and a SIIG Minitouch and Dell AT101W)) have a lighter activation force and I just find them easier to use.

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 11:31:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, it's pretty much a given that *any* keyboard that has switches in the keys will beat pretty much *any* keyboard that has rubber domes under the keys. Cherry keyswitches (particularly the "blue" models) would be the next best thing to buckling spring keys.

See also: [ ]

You know what I miss? Big letters. I never really liked the small letters in the corner of the keycaps. I don't have trouble seeing the small letters; I just liked the chunky look of the letters on 30+ year old keyboards.

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 12:05:12 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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Heh that's a nice guide.

My Matias has several letters on each key...

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 13:47:37 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm kind of old-skool.  I think everything ought to look like this: ]

I sure do miss my Z-19, even decades after it stopped working.  If I had known then how nostalgic I'd eventually become of it, I would have saved it for later repair.

Look at those chunky keys, that non-detachable keyboard, that lovely green screen...


[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 17:51:57 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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I don't care which way the letters on the keyboard look, they could even be not there. Since there are no dvorak keyboards around anyways, letters and whats pressed isn't acurate anyways.

I prefer german layout over american layout keyboards, because its got one more key. I also hate the small enter key some US keyboards have.

I realy dislike the upprinted 10 finger marks, I love the cherry ones where the keys are just a little deeper curved.

anyways, the cherry G80 of the good old times have keys in which the letters are embedded by different coloured plastic, not printed or lasered on top, so they never look "worn off" or shabby regardless the wear of the keys.

and, I realy miss my fingerworks keyboard.

since apple already sells a gesture pad and the magic mouse again, my hopes are that they're going to sell touch keyboards again any time soon...

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 23:36:18 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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You may be interested in the daskeyboard (an unlabeled, mecahnical keyboard) as well as the Dvorak keyboard that Matias sells (a rubber dome board though). and respectively. While I am not aware of any boards that have double shot keys as you speak of, the matias boards are laser etched.

[#] Sun Jul 31 2011 23:39:00 EDT from the8088er @ Uncensored

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... as an aside, the one thing that I do not miss about older computers (though for me that pretty well means Apple II, 286, and up) and their keyboards is the ghosting and dead keys. I remember on my older Macs I was constantly frustrated by ADB keyboards creating letters when you hit a certian combination too fast. At least that's solved.

[#] Mon Aug 01 2011 03:52:22 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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There are some nice solutions by an artsy design oriented company which sells totally overprized: has screens in each button, but they prize is ridiculous. I once had a Optimus Three in my hands and it was so horribly sluggish that my impression is, they sell style over substance. Might be what dothebart is looking for, but I expect it to sell for 10k $ comapring to their prizes.

Seriously, this is nothing a half decent shenzen ripoff couldnt offer you for 100$, I guess. And there would be a huge market, if they announced on proper geeks n' gadgets sites. I am astonished that not even Deal Extreme offers something like that.

I also wonder since a long time, why noone offers a keyboard with vga resolution tft integrated, for when you need to administer your headless system after a failed boot ot something. Only gamers get fancy displays in their keyboards.

On the other comments: Keys need to give proper feedback when pressed, I don't mind the form or how they are printed much and I prefer uk/us layout for coding with altgr+vocal for umlaut generation. Had that layout on a Dell with Uk layout, was really superior for most things. Touch keyboards should vibrate for feedback, though.

[#] Mon Aug 01 2011 14:18:28 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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nope, none of these fits my needs.

I don´t need the keys labeled, but I need quality keys, which i´ve got with my g80 - 5000

I had a similar like that:

but with its own metal dome under it. it realy worked great without any sort of feedback. though it took several hours to get used to it.

once apple manufactures these again (most probably with bluetooth or USB) i'll buy my next keyboard.

i'm pretty shure neither das keyboard nor the other ones can hold up against my cherry, and If, a clicky ibm would be my second best alternative.

[#] Wed Aug 03 2011 15:44:39 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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yes, these IBM ones are nice. if you're alone in the dark ;-)

People in my office don't want to sit near me because of my type M and how fast I type.
Well tough shit on them.

[#] Fri Aug 05 2011 09:28:55 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I have the mission to install an Exchange Server 2010 here and I almost failed when I was asked to enter the organisation name. Until I realised that I can't use umlauts... I want to cry right now

[#] Sun Aug 07 2011 19:31:53 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Hope you've got a beefy box to run it on. Exchange 2010 is a real pig for resources.

[#] Mon Aug 08 2011 09:11:47 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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No, this is just some leftover desktop with some pentium dual cpu. And they are planning on using it only for calendaring or whatever the boss came up with. The Installer itself is btw one of the crappiest pieces of software evar. Instead of activating all needed roles and install whatever servicepack or update it takes to finally get Exchange installed, it just keeps on failing each time I changed something, rebooted the machine and rerun the installer until all requirements are met. Hurray for automation!

[#] Mon Aug 08 2011 14:07:57 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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Does anyone know of a good (free, open source preferred) .exe installation creator?

I've been using Setup Factory 9 Personal but I need something that has a bit less confusion and more get-it-done.

I suppose I could find the professional version of Setup Factory since it has what I'm looking for, but don't want to pay for it, nor do I want a cracked version, or "trial" version.

I want something that is _free_ and isn't just a dumbed-down version of the "pro" release.




Stephen D King

[#] Mon Aug 08 2011 20:10:59 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Hrm... most of my experience with setups involved working with Microsoft Installer, which isn't really an EXE so much as an MSI file (although it was still double-click install).

Even there, I don't know of a lot of free tools for it that are easy to work with.

[#] Mon Aug 08 2011 20:53:20 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I'd go with the pirated version myself.

[#] Tue Aug 09 2011 11:42:21 EDT from skpacman @ Uncensored

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I'd go with the pirated version myself.

yeah... i resorted to doing that for now... Setup Factory is the easiest option out there, but for an _actual_ license is like $380USD... so i found a cracked version and scanned it...

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