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[#] Mon May 15 2023 23:15:31 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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No, that's literally it.  Peltier devices aren't even the most efficient, industrial-grade sterling engines are also a thing.  If you can boil water, you can get about 500W out of one.

Mon May 15 2023 22:54:36 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
it could be done, using nuclear waste so low cost. Tho not zero, it
has to be encased in something like synthetic sapphire, and of course
the peltier modules to turn the heat into power.   It would be

oooooooooohhhh

I never did quite figure out how waste-into-energy was supposed to work.
Is that all it is? Capture the heat with a peltier module? That sounds way too sensible and obvious.

 



[#] Mon May 15 2023 23:17:07 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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From what I've seen, the hybrid batteries should cost about $1500-$4000 to replace and they last 5-10 years.

Mon May 15 2023 22:52:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
distance.  There's also the thing with the power grid can barely
handle what's already here, adding a bunch of cars to it would cause
total societal collapse as we see in California.  I've seen EVs

Yeah, that's the big deal. The govern-mental wants to force everyone into all-electric cars and all-electric houses way faster than the power grid can handle it. Here in the People's Republic of New York they just banned gas and oil hookups to new construction homes for heating and cooking. Get ready to shiver while eating cold oatmeal, I guess.

What's the battery system like in a hybrid? Does it cost megabucks to replace like in an EV, or will it be reasonable when you get to that point?

 



[#] Tue May 16 2023 07:10:30 EDT from Nurb432

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you could do it more traditional with a micro steam turbine and nonsense, but doing it this way makes a compact solid-state unit.

No, its not as efficient by far, but much cheaper to produce and you end up with zero maintenance over its life.  

Mon May 15 2023 10:54:36 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
it could be done, using nuclear waste so low cost. Tho not zero, it
has to be encased in something like synthetic sapphire, and of course
the peltier modules to turn the heat into power.   It would be

oooooooooohhhh

I never did quite figure out how waste-into-energy was supposed to work.
Is that all it is? Capture the heat with a peltier module? That sounds way too sensible and obvious.

 



[#] Thu May 18 2023 00:53:31 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Today I worked for 8 hours.  Made $77 across 3 delivery apps (Uber, Roadie, Shipt).  Never turned my car off all day.  Came home, turned car off.  Trip Summary screen said I got 51.6 miles per gallon.  Pretty sure driving 4 miles through downtown San Antonio entirely on battery was a big halp.  Also pretty sure having it in Eco mode all day halped.



[#] Thu May 18 2023 07:11:07 EDT from Nurb432

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Yes. In-town driving is one place electric would do well..  ( i think those stupid ICEs that shut off at a light, does more damage to the engine than gas it saves )

 

Thu May 18 2023 12:53:31 AM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

Today I worked for 8 hours.  Made $77 across 3 delivery apps (Uber, Roadie, Shipt).  Never turned my car off all day.  Came home, turned car off.  Trip Summary screen said I got 51.6 miles per gallon.  Pretty sure driving 4 miles through downtown San Antonio entirely on battery was a big halp.  Also pretty sure having it in Eco mode all day halped.



 



[#] Thu May 18 2023 15:38:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Today I worked for 8 hours.  Made $77 across 3 delivery apps (Uber,

If you don't mind my asking ... how are you managing a $40,500 MSRP vehicle on $77 per day?

Similar to why I asked about battery replacement -- I could see myself in a hybrid someday but the over-the-lifetime costs still seem higher for someone like me who keeps every vehicle until the wheels are falling off.

[#] Thu May 18 2023 15:45:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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No, that's literally it.  Peltier devices aren't even the most
efficient, industrial-grade sterling engines are also a thing.  If
you can boil water, you can get about 500W out of one.

Wow. Now I understand why Nurb is so frustrated that we're not doing that everywhere.

I wonder if that's what those "micro nuclear" reactors were supposed to do.
Toshiba has been working on those for years -- completely sealed units that can be buried on-site and produce around 200 KW. Obviously the NIMBY crowd would have no part of it. I can't imagine them being deployed to private residences, but how about at or near substations? Or they could build them into locomotives.

[#] Thu May 18 2023 20:03:56 EDT from Nurb432

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If that was the only expense, that is about 1.5 year to pay for its self ( not including interest and taxes, upkeep and other such nonsense ).  Of course i'm willing to bet that 77 also needs to go towards food, shelter and cat litter. 

Thu May 18 2023 03:38:38 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Today I worked for 8 hours.  Made $77 across 3 delivery apps (Uber,

If you don't mind my asking ... how are you managing a $40,500 MSRP vehicle on $77 per day?

Similar to why I asked about battery replacement -- I could see myself in a hybrid someday but the over-the-lifetime costs still seem higher for someone like me who keeps every vehicle until the wheels are falling off.

 



[#] Thu May 18 2023 22:38:33 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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My expenses run me about $300/mo.  Vape juice, Big Red, food, kitty litter, explodey juice, Ameowzon Prime, Hulu, HiDive, YouTube Purremium, car insurance.  I still live with my parental units, so there are a couple things I don't have to pay for - house, kitty bed, phone bill, and house utilities.  So ya, aside from a smol number of things, I mostly pay my own way.

Thu May 18 2023 20:03:56 EDT from Nurb432

If that was the only expense, that is about 1.5 year to pay for its self ( not including interest and taxes, upkeep and other such nonsense ).  Of course i'm willing to bet that 77 also needs to go towards food, shelter and cat litter. 

Thu May 18 2023 03:38:38 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Today I worked for 8 hours.  Made $77 across 3 delivery apps (Uber,

If you don't mind my asking ... how are you managing a $40,500 MSRP vehicle on $77 per day?

Similar to why I asked about battery replacement -- I could see myself in a hybrid someday but the over-the-lifetime costs still seem higher for someone like me who keeps every vehicle until the wheels are falling off.

 



 



[#] Thu May 18 2023 22:45:06 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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200KW is enough to run a few houses.  These things output CONTINUOUS POWER at the same rate, so any load that isn't used has to be dealt with or bad things happen.  The larger micronuclear facilities handle this by heating water, using the least efficient heating coils they can find.  Obviously, it's much easier with nanonuclear.  Just size-down your nanonuclear reactor until its output is a little above your average usage, then you can run it like a hybrid car - use batteries + constant power during the day, and at night the batteries recharge.  Need to shed those pesky excess electrons?  That's what the POS electrocar is for.

Thu May 18 2023 15:45:19 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
Wow. Now I understand why Nurb is so frustrated that we're not doing that everywhere.

I wonder if that's what those "micro nuclear" reactors were supposed to do.
Toshiba has been working on those for years -- completely sealed units that can be buried on-site and produce around 200 KW. Obviously the NIMBY crowd would have no part of it. I can't imagine them being deployed to private residences, but how about at or near substations? Or they could build them into locomotives.

 



[#] Fri May 19 2023 08:46:24 EDT from Nurb432

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But i dont ever see it happening. Cant let the people be independent. 

Its one reason we never got wireless power ( Tesla ) . Aside from fact it was inefficient,  at the time Westinghouse couldn't figure out how to bill people.  Now its doable of course, monitor at point of use with IoT devices, and use cell internet to shut you own if you dont pay..

Thu May 18 2023 10:45:06 PM EDT from LadySerenaKitty

200KW is enough to run a few houses.  These things output CONTINUOUS POWER at the same rate, so any load that isn't used has to be dealt with or bad things happen.  The larger micronuclear facilities handle this by heating water, using the least efficient heating coils they can find.  Obviously, it's much easier with nanonuclear.  Just size-down your nanonuclear reactor until its output is a little above your average usage, then you can run it like a hybrid car - use batteries + constant power during the day, and at night the batteries recharge.  Need to shed those pesky excess electrons?  That's what the POS electrocar is for.

 


[#] Fri May 19 2023 20:33:10 EDT from LoanShark

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Similar to why I asked about battery replacement -- I could see myself

in a hybrid someday but the over-the-lifetime costs still seem higher

for someone like me who keeps every vehicle until the wheels are
falling off.


I'm a bit of a greendroid but not like I used to be... and I still don't park my car in my own garage, so charging is an issue. If I had a plug-in hybrid, I wouldn't plug it in much. And if I had a fully-electric vehicle, that would also pose a problem with those 5hr drives to Vermont for skiing.

At most, I would be driving a non-plugin-hybrid. And there are very, very few options with AWD that actually provide better gas mileage than my 330i xDrive.

Most of those options are from Toyota. The Prius is a non-starter because you can't even get winter tires for it. So the only two vehicles on the market that remotely meet my requirements would be the RAV4 Hybrid and the new Toyota Crown. Neither are particularly appealing.

The only way that you are going to see a broader selection of more appealing models on the market is if the goobermint either (a) mandates hybrid technology or (b) mandates >=40mpg, which amounts to mandating hybrid technology (or diesel or ancient underpowered econoboxes.)

[#] Fri May 19 2023 20:35:25 EDT from LoanShark

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tl;dr: LoanShark is going to keep driving non-hybrid ICE until the government crams hybrid tech down his throat.

[#] Fri May 19 2023 20:42:08 EDT from Nurb432

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Same here, unless the miracle i mentioned above happens. Then i would consider it. Still may not do it, but at least id consider it.

Fri May 19 2023 08:35:25 PM EDT from LoanShark

tl;dr: LoanShark is going to keep driving non-hybrid ICE until the government crams hybrid tech down his throat.

 



[#] Fri May 19 2023 23:15:42 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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On a number of deliveries I've done with my shiny new Escape, I've gotten 50+mpg.  I never fall below 42mpg average daily econ.



[#] Sat May 20 2023 07:20:41 EDT from nonservator

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When they mandate EV's, every sane person will acquire a Red Barchetta.



[#] Wed May 24 2023 19:20:44 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's the total cost of ownership that concerns me. I know that a well-maintained Honda or Toyota ICEmobile can go a quarter million miles without requiring maintenance that would cost more than replacing the vehicle. Maybe we'll get there with electrics, maybe not, but I drive 'em for a decade or more and want longevity.

I still want a diesel hybrid, and as I was told a few dozen messages back that would be an electromotive, like on a train. They won't build it because they're focused on squeezing out every last MPG using stupid and expensive gimmicks.

[#] Thu May 25 2023 02:33:46 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Yesterday the accessories for my new car were installed.  Branded cargo mat (it says ESCAPE just like the badging on my car), UV filtering ceramic window tint, and a 2-CHANNEL DASHCAM (forward and cabin).  After the 24-hour curing period for the tinting completed, I took on my first passengers.

One of those only needed to go like 3 miles, 2 of those miles were electric-only.  My car has been known to run only off the battery at 75mph.  My average fuel econ for the day was 41.6.

 

An electromotive vehicle is certainly pawssible, it needs a hybrid battery so it can turn off the engine when stopped and still have all systems running, all electric accessories like a hybrid, and a beefy drive motor like what's in a Tesla.  You'd also be adding a fair bit of weight in having both a drive motor AND a generator, its weight would be somewhere between a hybrid and a full-electric.

Wed May 24 2023 19:20:44 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

It's the total cost of ownership that concerns me. I know that a well-maintained Honda or Toyota ICEmobile can go a quarter million miles without requiring maintenance that would cost more than replacing the vehicle. Maybe we'll get there with electrics, maybe not, but I drive 'em for a decade or more and want longevity.

I still want a diesel hybrid, and as I was told a few dozen messages back that would be an electromotive, like on a train. They won't build it because they're focused on squeezing out every last MPG using stupid and expensive gimmicks.

 



[#] Thu May 25 2023 16:59:53 EDT from LoanShark

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Depends how it's done. Mild-hybrid's use SMG's -- Starter Motor/Generator. Which also provides a bit of boost. Some hybrids incorporate the electric motor into the transmission, so that could in theory do the same thing.

[#] Sun May 28 2023 17:46:30 EDT from Nurb432

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I hear there was a race up in town today. Zzzz.

( ya partial rant..  back in the 70s and 80s it was a HUGE deal around here.. its its a snooze fest )



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