Language:
switch to room list switch to menu My folders
Go to page: First ... 26 27 28 29 [30] 31 32 33 34 ... Last
[#] Fri Dec 04 2020 13:46:02 EST from nonservator

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

"Black Panther star Letitia Wright doubles down on COVID anti-vax video": Actress who plays the genius scientist in Black Panther has doubled down on her anti-vaccine views after sharing a video by a 'prophet' who asked if the injection will implant 5G antennas inside people or create human-animal 'chimeras'.

 

Of course, such views are only dangerous denial of science when expressed by whitey.



[#] Fri Dec 04 2020 13:50:40 EST from LoanShark

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]


A small bit of NYC-specific kinda-good news:

My gf works at one of the university hospitals in Manhattan. I'd rather not say which one, and I can't cut/paste the post because it came from the company intranet.

As a university hospital they have some academic PhD-types with propeller heads who are doing some data modelling. The current thinking is that the second wave, in NYC, is not going to get nearly as bad as it was in March-April.

I haven't cross-checked this with what IHME is saying, but it's slightly encouraging news.

However, hospitalizations in NYC are growing exponentially. Currently they're above 1250, up from a low of 250 during the summer (that's 5X.) This particular hospital has not seen a major increase yet, mainly because of their location; but they are planning that they'll have to deal with one in about 2 weeks as other city hospitals begin to overflow and patients begin to get sent here.

As always, by definition when a hospital is full that means you can't admit people you would have liked to admit.

[#] Fri Dec 04 2020 15:37:55 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

I've been saying for a couple of weeks now - the virus is less virulent now... the total viral loads are going down even as infections go up, and lower viral loads correlates with less severe complications.  This follows the pattern of the last Coronavirus pandemic - I *think* it was SARS, but I may be wrong on that detail. There was a second wave with lower viral loads and less severe complications, then that virus "disappeared", according to the article where I read this. 

We *are* back up to the point where I suspect Arizona may do a shutdown again, though... 

Fri Dec 04 2020 13:50:40 EST from LoanShark

A small bit of NYC-specific kinda-good news:



As a university hospital they have some academic PhD-types with propeller heads who are doing some data modelling. The current thinking is that the second wave, in NYC, is not going to get nearly as bad as it was in March-April.


 



[#] Fri Dec 04 2020 15:43:39 EST from LoanShark

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

2020-12-04 15:37 from ParanoidDelusions
I've been saying for a couple of weeks now - the virus is less

Yes, you've been saying that for a couple of weeks now.

[#] Fri Dec 04 2020 15:53:29 EST from LoanShark

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]


CEO of Chinabs Sinovac, which aims to sell vaccine globally, paid bribes for other vaccine approvals

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-vaccine-china-bribery-sinovac/2020/12/04/7c09ae68-28c6-11eb-9c21-3cc501d0981f_stor y.html

[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 13:24:51 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]


As always, by definition when a hospital is full that means you can't

admit people you would have liked to admit.


Hospitals seem to be 80-90% full most of the time anyway.... There's very little capacity in the system.


NYC is in has lost nearly 20 hospitals and 20,000 hospital beds in the last two decades - a 30% reduction.

Hospitals are forced to provide care, regardless of the ability to pay. It's an unsustainable model.

[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 18:30:12 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

ERs are forced to provide care - but I’m not sure that hospitals are forced to admit. 

What IS the sustainable model, in your opinion?  

Sat Dec 05 2020 13:24:51 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold

Hospitals are forced to provide care, regardless of the ability to pay. It's an unsustainable model.

 



[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 19:54:44 EST from darknetuser

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

2020-11-19 11:34 from LoanShark
No. Masks don't SAVE lives. That is another thing about the
rhetoric.

They *potentially* prolong the time until people with comorbidities


You're getting into a lot of ideologically-driven hair-splitting here,

and I have no time for it. This room is about health. Spare me.




Fact: I have followed very heavy messures with masks and face shields, proper desinfection of tools and surfaces, lots of isolation and everything.


I still got a regular flu.

I stand with what mask manufacturers used to say before the pandemic. They said: "This product does not protect against biological hazzards".

Masks are mitigation tools but they work no miracles. I think they are used more for people's peace of mind than anything.

[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 20:06:51 EST from darknetuser

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

On the other hand, it's difficult to call fear of a minimally tested

vaccine "irrational". Yes, go ahead and make it available to those who

are high risk and/or fear the virus more than the vaccine. I do not

fear the vaccine if I can elect not to take it. I do fear the
possibility that they will make it mandatory. It would be disingenuous

to equate skepticism of the safety of a minimally tested vaccine with

the behavior of conspiracy theorist fringe groups.



I brought this subject with actual lab people.

The lab people told me variants of "We know how these thigns are made, we are not letting any vaccie with less than 5 years of testing in our bodies."


The main problem is a lot of meds have effects that are only apparent many years after the fact, which is why things are tested this long.

[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 21:07:46 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

And I'll be honest - I'll take any mitigation tool I can. To refuse something that may mitigate a complication, unless the mitigation is worse than the problem - is stupid. 

So I'm not an ANTI masker. I'm *Anti-MANDATE*. 

Fuck if you'll tell me what I can and can't risk. You can isolate and shun me - but you shouldn't be able to tell me I *must* wear your yellow star. 


By the way... when does Trump start Hitler-ing? I thought we would have cattle cars full of undesirables by now. He better get cracking. 

 

Sat Dec 05 2020 19:54:44 EST from darknetuser

Masks are mitigation tools but they work no miracles. I think they are used more for people's peace of mind than anything.

 



[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 21:12:45 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

I actually lost a friendship over this kind of debate. I vape. I vape because of potential harm reduction compared to cigarettes. But, I argued with a vehemently PRO vaping individual who makes their living from that market - "we won't know if the long term harm reduction is a benefit or a liability for at least 10 years, probably more like 20." 

But by the same token, if everyone who had non-symptomatic Covid-19 starts dying from strokes and coronary failure in March - it turns out that getting stronger symptoms was *actually* the better bet - and we don't know *that* yet, either. 

That may be very unlikely - but it is still a *possibility*. Everyone could have been infected already, most of us non-symptomatic, and most of us untested - and THAT could be the *lethal* dose of Covid. No one thinks through all potential scenarios. They only see what is right in front of their face. 

 


Sat Dec 05 2020 20:06:51 ESTfrom darknetuser


I brought this subject with actual lab people.

The lab people told me variants of "We know how these thigns are made, we are not letting any vaccie with less than 5 years of testing in our bodies."


The main problem is a lot of meds have effects that are only apparent many years after the fact, which is why things are tested this long.

 



[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 21:15:14 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

Lay in bed staring a the ceiling contemplating THAT scenario, if this is the first time you've considered this possibility. What if, come March, the population of humanity is trending toward 20% of what it is today. 

That is an extinction level event. 


We could already be the walking dead. 



[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 21:16:44 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

And if you're one of those people who hates it when I gloat and tell you, "I told you so..." believe me, I'm not going to be any more considerate *then* than I am now, if that comes to pass. You're totally going to be hearing me say, "I told you so," if I can.


Sat Dec 05 2020 21:15:14 EST from ParanoidDelusions

 


We could already be the walking dead. 



 



[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 22:22:51 EST from LoanShark

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

Hospitals seem to be 80-90% full most of the time anyway.... There's

very little capacity in the system.

NYC is at 82% "capacity" right now, but a lot of beds have been removed since the spring and there are plans in place to add them back... not sure what you're trying to say here, except that it sounds like you literally don't understand the idea that 100% full is an actual problem. That's not a good look on you.

[#] Sat Dec 05 2020 22:27:01 EST from LoanShark

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

Fuck if you'll tell me what I can and can't risk. You can isolate and
shun me - but you shouldn't be able to tell me I *must* wear your
yellow star. 

Wow, Nazi comparisons. When one group was putting people in gas chambers and we're just talking about saving lives here.

You're off your rocker.

[#] Sun Dec 06 2020 07:05:10 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

The people who are demanding a national mask mandate and a national shutdown... 

Are the same ones that were claiming that Trump was *literally* "The Next Hitler" for four years. 

I think you're a bit confused on which side is *invoking* Reductio Ad Hitlerum and which side is actually displaying fascist like tendencies. 

Perhaps climb back into your own rocker before you accuse me of being off mine. 

Seriously - there is ample evidence that many of the policies invoked in New York city - with nursing homes for example, were effectively no different than sending undesirables to gas chambers under the guise that you were "acting in the best interests" of society. 

The policies of the Left on Covid-19 resulted in as many, if not more, preventable deaths than the policies of the Right. 

 

Sat Dec 05 2020 22:27:01 EST from LoanShark
Fuck if you'll tell me what I can and can't risk. You can isolate and
shun me - but you shouldn't be able to tell me I *must* wear your
yellow star. 

Wow, Nazi comparisons. When one group was putting people in gas chambers and we're just talking about saving lives here.

You're off your rocker.

 



[#] Sun Dec 06 2020 13:38:03 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

NYC is at 82% "capacity" right now, but a lot of beds have been
removed since the spring and there are plans in place to add them

Let's talk about that, then. What do we know now that we didn't know last year, and what are we going to do differently? I think we all know at this point that mask/vaccine mandates are more of a political issue than an epidemiological issue, so that topic is a bit less interesting here. What I'm more interested in learning now are things like:

* Are we ventilating patients at the same rate we initially did? Have we learned more about outcomes vs. risks?
* Is NYC's high rate of infection during last year's season giving it a better forecast for this season? (Not to the point of "herd immunity" but at least a *trend* in that direction)
* Are we aware of multiple strains with different symptom severity?

ERROR: K
[#] Wed Dec 31 1969 19:00:00 EST from <>

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

[#] Sun Dec 06 2020 23:50:19 EST from ParanoidDelusions

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

Sometimes I think we're headed for a civil war. 

Then I see stuff like this, read the comments, and I think, "No, it'll probably be a World War." I see it from the UK, I see it from Australia. The global right and the global left are headed for a confrontation. 

Sun Dec 06 2020 18:40:25 EST from nonservator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x6eSZA90M4 Ivor Cummins and Dr. Malcolm Kendrick are speechless.
 
  
For the "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!" crowd, science is God. Until it conflicts with their personal prejudices, preconceived notions and financial incentives. And all the stupid people, all the control freaks, all the public policy makers, have gone too far down the road of sunk costs. The bullshit has become too big to fail. Because heads would fucking roll, particularly coming on top of election bullshit and the "Great Reset".
 

 



 



[#] Mon Dec 07 2020 17:45:35 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

[Reply] [ReplyQuoted] [Headers] [Print]

She says, "I only understood about half of that". I said bullshit,
it's college level writing, you're a smart woman.

The intersection of "intellectuals" and "smart people" is vanishingly small.

Go to page: First ... 26 27 28 29 [30] 31 32 33 34 ... Last