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[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 06:58:13 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored

Subject: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

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Just saying ... gotta wonder how alive Citadel is really.



[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 08:56:22 EDT from jdw @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: User enumeration vuln?

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Fair. It's arguable whether the WP user enumeration thing is a "vuln" or a "feature", I get that.

I've had no hits on the honeypot username I created so it's kind of a mystery why the initial one gets an attempt every few days. But life is full of mysteries.

 

Mon Jul 16 2018 12:47:35 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: User enumeration vuln?
I know a lot of apps have a
username enumeration vulnerability *cough* Wordpress *cough* and I'm
wondering if there could be any such thing in Citadel.

It's probably pretty easy to do username enumeration on Citadel because the Citadel Server exposes so many different protocols. SMTP, POP3, IMAP, XMPP, etc. etc. and many of those protocols will cheerfully return a specific error message for an attempted login of a user who does not exist.

I'm not sure whether it's fair to call that a vulnerability, but yes it's definitely plausible.

 



[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 08:58:25 EDT from jdw @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

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It's alive because it's quite a good system.

Everything Citadel is voluntary, including support. Nobody is getting paid for any of this, so sometimes you just gotta wait to get responses, and sometimes you get no responses at all.

 

Tue Jul 17 2018 06:58:13 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored Subject: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

Just saying ... gotta wonder how alive Citadel is really.



 



[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 09:05:10 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored

Subject: Initial impressions

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So am starting to play with it and slowly losing interest here.

  1. On my server and this one under Advanced on the left menu I can select "Change your preferences and settings" and there I can see a Preferred email address selector but there's nothing to select. No help. No clue. No option.
  2. On my server and this one I can write an email and the top header line is labeled from followed by a selector where I can choose my account from a list of one (my account), which makes zero clear sense at all, and that is followed by another selector that has zero options and renders as on char wide with a drop down, followed by "in Mail". UX value: perplexing and confusing.
  3. On my server on Summary I sometimes see (not logged in) listed. What? What's that about? It's even seen on the screenshots here: http://www.citadel.org/doku.php?id=screenshots
  4. Under Administration on my server (not here clearly as I'm not an admin) I can "Edit site-wide configuration" then "Change Login Logo" but it bails on the upload because the images folder is missing from /usr/local/citadel. Aaarg>Flakey or what. So I created it and uploaded a Login Logo and Logout Logo and it claimed success, yet when I log out and in again I see no logos.
  5. I try sending myself an email on my server and it bombs on a blank page reading "Security check failed." with mysite/post in the address bar. I try again and this time on send Firefox bombs with "The connection was reset". If I reload (and accept the resend offer) I'm back at "Security check failed." but the mail arrives! Mind blowingly unreliable weirdness. What is going on here?
  6. I try sending an email to my gmail adress. And the citadel side works without nay issues, reporting "Message has been sent" in a pop up. Yet it never arrives at gmail and I see no sent mail or outbox folders in Citadel for even rudimentary inspection, though Administration > View the outbound SMTP queue, reports nothing.
  7. IMAP reading of my citadel mailbox works fine in Thunderbird - first thing I tried that worked! Wow.
  8. Sending an email from gmail to my Citadel address has not arrived and not bounced (yet) - more to diagnose there if it fails, as I have just set up the MX record and opened the SMTP and IMAP ports on my firewall and forwarded them to the Citadel server. There's room for a slip up there somewhere as it's quote a few configs and steps. So will learn more in time I guess.
  9. I can see no tools for creating mail folders in my inbox, which is out of this world. So I created one in Thunderbird and snooped around and found them at last under Rooms > My Folders. And I can see sent mails. Awesome.

That's enough for now. I'm going to wait on bounce messages or deliveries for emails out to gmail and in from gmail now I guess.

I can see a server rebuild coming on and a postfix/dovecot install. I'm getting the slow feeling that while mildly curious and entertaining courting 1980s elgacy bulletin board software kept barely alive (which is a miracle itself and quite an eye opener) is not a sensible path for an email server on a Raspberry Pi, in spite of two sites I found recommending it.  Lord only knows if those folk tried it and had better than I or a smoother ride.

I've not bailed yet. There's a chance I stay with it, if I can get emails trialled and working as I really only need it for IMAP and SMTP and as an email store, and there's something mildly appealing about having this quiant oh so dated web interface in the backdrop. But I have yet to work out how to get citadels entire data store onto a mounted drive (off my SSD) too and I'm not confident that's going to be an easy ride.

Combine that with how quiet the support forum seems. Well, prognosis looks sketchy to say the least.

Regards,

Bernd.



[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 09:12:35 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

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Thanks jdw,

I get that. Don't worry. I work with bundles of FOSS and community driven packages don't worry, and I'm patient, not overly critical of slow responses at all, just offering up a reflection. Truth be told because of that backdrop experience, I have a baseline to compare against I guess ;-)

I have another Pi running NextCloud and so  most of the Citadel features are decked there anyhow, and I'm not quite convinced it's quite a good system. To my eye, it's quite a quaint legacy system with some cultural value (heck I used CItadel in the 80s briefly! so nostalgic value),

Goes without say volunteer driven stuff comes with no guartantees, no timelines and so on ...  but there is most definitely vibrant living volunteer driven stuff that is flowing with activity (I'm all over github projects like that) and projects that are stagnant and haven't seen a finger lifted in years and everything in between.

Guess we'll see how it pans out in coming weeks for me. Rest assured I'm curious, patient and trying it out and rather dedicated, offering solid reports and feedback but seriously mulling over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmEMMyvZHcw

Tue Jul 17 2018 08:58:25 EDT from jdw @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

It's alive because it's quite a good system.

Everything Citadel is voluntary, including support. Nobody is getting paid for any of this, so sometimes you just gotta wait to get responses, and sometimes you get no responses at all.

 

Tue Jul 17 2018 06:58:13 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored Subject: Not a lot of support here is there? ;-)

Just saying ... gotta wonder how alive Citadel is really.



 



 



[#] Tue Jul 17 2018 20:47:35 EDT from iiapoxii @ Uncensored

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Hello all,

I am developing a system on a Raspi and running Owncloud. I have dynamics dns setup and working. I was following some blogs and one suggested I use your suite to handle the install of smtp services for Owncloud to send email notifications. I went through the installer and questions, set my time zone and rebooted. I am unable to browse to the Citadel site at http://localhost:504 and I am getting a ERR_INVALID_HTTP_RESPONSE response. I am using Apache and I feel it has something to do with it. Any ideas?



[#] Wed Jul 18 2018 05:36:45 EDT from fbsd001 @ Uncensored

Subject: Unable to install Citadel on FreeBSD, please help

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Greetings,

 

I'm trying to install Citadel on a FreeBSD server (11.1-RELEASE-p11) but the installation gets aborted, could someone point me in the right direction?

 

lang/gcc devel/gmake converters/libiconv textproc/intltool devel/gettext misc/shared-mime-info

 

wget -q -O - http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install | sh

 

  • The installation stopped with the following message:

 

LTCompile: /bin/sh ./libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -I./lib -I. -g -O2 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -fexceptions -D HAVE_MMAP -o buildinfo -c

 

 

 

CC: lib/libcitadel.c

 

In file included from lib/libcitadel.c:30:0:

 

lib/libcitadel.h:264:2: error: unknown type name 'loff_t'

 

loff_t TotalSentAlready;

 

^~~~~~

 

lib/libcitadel.h:265:2: error: unknown type name 'loff_t'

 

loff_t TotalReadAlready;

 

^~~~~~

 

gmake: *** [Makefile:169: lib/libcitadel.lo] Error 1

 

Citadel Easy Install is aborting.

 

The last few lines above this message may indicate what went wrong.

 

 

 

 

I've attached the full installation log!

 

  • I tried to resolve the problem by following below procedure, with same result:

(http://www.citadel.org/doku.php?id=faq:installation:installing_citadel_on_a_freebsd_5.4_or_6.0_os)

Download the Easy Install script, but don’t execute it yet:

wget -q -O http://easyinstall.citadel.org/install

Download and modify the start scripts:

Download webcit.sh and citserver.sh from http://fleeb.com/Citadel/ Move them to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ make them executable with chmod +x You have to modify webcit.sh! Open file and search for “command=”/usr/local/webcit/webserver”. Change it to “command=”/usr/local/webcit/webcit”

Modify /etc/rc.conf

Add citserver_enable=’YES’ and webcit_enable=’YES’ to /etc/rc.conf

Install

Start installation with “sh install”

 

Is there anyone that has installed Citadel on a FreeBSD 11.1 server?

Can anyone help me?

 

Thanks in advanced for your assistance.

Kind regards.

 

 

 

 

 



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[#] Wed Jul 18 2018 07:49:14 EDT from jdw @ Uncensored

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Port 504 is not HTTP. It is the port that the citadel server runs on, and the citadel server is not a web server. You should be able to reach your site simply at http://localhost or https://localhost depending on how you choose your port 80 and 443 options during setup.

Tue Jul 17 2018 20:47:35 EDT from iiapoxii @ Uncensored

Hello all,

I am developing a system on a Raspi and running Owncloud. I have dynamics dns setup and working. I was following some blogs and one suggested I use your suite to handle the install of smtp services for Owncloud to send email notifications. I went through the installer and questions, set my time zone and rebooted. I am unable to browse to the Citadel site at http://localhost:504 and I am getting a ERR_INVALID_HTTP_RESPONSE response. I am using Apache and I feel it has something to do with it. Any ideas?



 



[#] Wed Jul 18 2018 07:57:19 EDT from ThumbOne @ Uncensored

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iiapoxii,

Alas I can't really help you there. Ironically I run NextCloud on a Raspi myself but a separate one to the one I want to run as a mail sever (separation of services is my preference not least because an email server is especially prone to spam overload sadly).

I've never looked at email notifications from NextCloud. I've only had it a short time. BUt I just looked and to set up SMTP there, frankly I'd just use a gmail account and the gmail SMTP server or Zoho or Yahoo, I would stuff around with Citadel suite and given my experiences above I wouldn't even dream of trying to install it on the same Raspi as my Nextcloud. it's way way overkill in terms of complexity.

On top of that, the support community is so active that it's noobs like you and me chatting it seems (i.e. not). And I haven't got my citadel server emailing or receiving emails yet either (whole story above). But I can browse to it (though i run the internal server and access it on port 80 as I have a dedicate Raspi fro Citadel).

For what it's worth I landed here thanks to some blog posts too. And have kind of enjoyed it so far, for reasons I state above (I actually remember Citadel from the 1980s and it's a bit of a nostalgia trip into old BBS software) but as I said, if I want email notifications it's so easy to point it at an open SMTP server like gmail, yahoo or Zoho.

Tue Jul 17 2018 20:47:35 EDT from iiapoxii @ Uncensored

Hello all,

I am developing a system on a Raspi and running Owncloud. I have dynamics dns setup and working. I was following some blogs and one suggested I use your suite to handle the install of smtp services for Owncloud to send email notifications. I went through the installer and questions, set my time zone and rebooted. I am unable to browse to the Citadel site at http://localhost:504 and I am getting a ERR_INVALID_HTTP_RESPONSE response. I am using Apache and I feel it has something to do with it. Any ideas?



 



[#] Mon Jul 23 2018 04:00:10 EDT from pop @ Uncensored

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Hi guys! 

I install citadel on a ubuntu server ( version 18), i created 5 users and i would like to know how can i share the calendar of the user. 

 

I explain I would like the schedule of a user is visible to others. Is it possible ? thank you in advance





[#] Tue Jul 24 2018 12:24:25 EDT from fishchip @ Uncensored

Subject: Spaces are plusses! Finkle is Einhorn!

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Hey all. Finally going to start using Citadel as a personal workspace a-la Evernote or Keep, seems to be my best compromise between personal writing and Outlook-type calendar and tasklist and stuff..

Compiled from source using easy install and everything seems to be working great, except, in Notes, all spaces are converted to plus signs. What gives? I don't remember this from when I half-assedly gave Citadel a spin a couple years ago. It kind of makes using Notes awkward.

 

Cheers.



[#] Tue Jul 24 2018 15:33:17 EDT from iMav @ Uncensored

Subject: Outbound email issue and webcit shutdown/startup issue...

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First off, I am able to receive email without issue. (new install)  However, whenever I send outbound email (from the web interface) it never attempts (I don't see any outbound connection attempts...nor do I see any entries in either mail.err nor mail.log).  Nothing shows up in the outbound queue when I log in as admin...and eventually, the sending user gets a system email with the subject "Delivery Status Notification (failure)"...with the content "421 (Domain service not available, closing transmission channel)".

Name resolution for the system works fine (/etc/resolv.conf has the correct info and I can look up DNS records from the command line without issue).  I couldn't find any additional DNS configuration within Citadel.  I even installed a local, caching DNS server...just in case Citadel was simply querying DNS from the local host by default...no change.

 

Secondly, whenever I install a package, I get the following errors (and webcit is shut down and not started back up):

insserv: Starting webcit depends on rc.local and therefore on system facility `$all' which can not be true!

insserv: There is a loop at service webcit if started

insserv:  loop involving service networking at depth 6

insserv:  loop involving service mountdevsubfs at depth 3

insserv:  loop involving service mountkernfs at depth 1

 

I am at a loss as to what is going on with both of these issues.



[#] Wed Jul 25 2018 07:22:17 EDT from kristjan1215 @ Uncensored

Subject: Several questions

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Hello,

I have several questions about Citadel:

- I am running the suite on my home raspberry pi server and love it. But would love to sync calendar/notes/tasks to Android, is this possible?

- Does Citadel community have any IRC chat rooms? It would be most helpful to find help and to help others in real time. (Maybe Freenode could support it for free?)

- Citadel seems to have problem with images, from images in mails to icons for rooms. They are not shown. Only the "image icon". Any idea why? The default icons/logos are all shown OK.

- Also how do I apply self-signed SSL certificate for (more) secure connection? There are probably instructions somewhere, but did not find them.

Apart from this, I find Citadel superb for my needs. Easy install and use 10/10 ;)

 



[#] Wed Jul 25 2018 17:06:57 EDT from EzPcConcepts @ Uncensored

Subject: Citadel Easy Install Aborts on CentOS 6.10 Compile fails

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Good day and thank you in advance for your time and assistance.


I am trying to install Citadel on CentOS 6.10 using the Easy Installer process. Unfortunately it keeps failing to compile the pages with the following errors

Anyone ever seen this before and have a fix...?

Thanks

 

Running scripts/ge_ical_data.sh

CC ical_maps.c

ical_maps.c:28: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'ical_unknown_token_handling'

ical_maps.c:440: error: expected '}' before 'C'

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:440: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:451: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:451: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:451: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c:451: error: expected '}' before 'endif'

ical_maps.c:451: error: stray '#' in program

ical_maps.c: In function 'InitModule_ICAL_MAPS':

ical_maps.c:977: error: 'Ical_ical_unknown_token_handling' has no member named 'map'

ical_maps.c:977: warning: passing argument 3 of 'RegisterTokenParamDefine' makes integer from pointer without a cast

subst.h:344: note: expected 'long int' but argument is of type 'struct Ical_ical_unknown_token_handling *'

gmail: *** [ical_maps.o] Error 1

Citadel Easy Install is Aborting

 

 

 

 



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[#] Wed Jul 25 2018 20:25:53 EDT from kristjan1215 @ Uncensored

Subject: Several questions

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Hello,

I have several questions about Citadel:

- I am running the suite on my home raspberry pi server and love it. But would love to sync calendar/notes/tasks to Android, is this possible?

- Does Citadel community have any IRC chat rooms? It would be most helpful to find help and to help others in real time. (Maybe Freenode could support it for free?)

- Citadel seems to have problem with images, from images in mails to icons for rooms. They are not shown. Only the "image icon". Any idea why? The default icons/logos are all shown OK.

- Also how do I apply self-signed SSL certificate for (more) secure connection? There are probably instructions somewhere, but did not find them.

Apart from this, I find Citadel superb for my needs. Easy install and use 10/10 ;)

 



[#] Thu Jul 26 2018 23:40:48 EDT from "jake" <jake@aCe-Clan.org> to room_Citadel_Support@citadel.org

Subject: Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site are not encrypted. Even thoughthey should be.

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Good Morning,
I have recently switched from Postfix+Dovecot to Citadel(because its
easier to use) and I've noticed that E-Mails that are send using Citadel
are shown as not encrypted in Gmail. Even though I have a CA Cert at
Let's Encrypt and it is correctly linked to in the keys folder of Citadel.

I am rather sure I just have to configure Citadel to enforce Encryption
but I don't know where/how I can do that. I haven't found anything
useful in the FAQ, docs, webinterface, or through online searches.

Back when I was using Postfix Gmail just said that the E-Mails were
Encrypted (TLS).

Has someone discovered and solved this issue before? Or has anyone an
Idea or Solution on how to fix that/enforce encryption?

Sincerely,
Jake

[#] Fri Jul 27 2018 02:29:00 EDT from "Dirk Heinrichs" <dirk.heinrichs@altum.de> to Citadel Support <room_Citadel_Support@citadel.org>

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site are notencrypted. Even thoughthey should be.

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Citadel Support:

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From: jake <jake@aCe-Clan.org>

I have recently switched from Postfix+Dovecot to Citadel(because its
easier to use) and I've noticed that E-Mails that are send using Citadel
are shown as not encrypted in Gmail. Even though I have a CA Cert at
Let's Encrypt and it is correctly linked to in the keys folder of Citadel.

You seem to be confusing email encryption (PGP, SMIME) with transport
encryption (TLS, SSL). Neither Postfix nor Citadel encrypts your emails,
they just encrypt the *connection* to other mail hosts or mail clients
(transport encryption). The emails themselves are still unencrypted
unless you do so in the program you use for writing your emails
(Thunderbird, Outlook, ...).

So, can you please clarify which one you're after? I guess it's
transport encryption, just to be sure...

Bye...

Dirk
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[#] Fri Jul 27 2018 02:40:47 EDT from "jake" <jake@aCe-Clan.org> to room_Citadel_Support@citadel.org

Subject: Re: [Citadel Support] Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site arenotencrypted. Even thoughthey should be.

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Oh sorry, I forgot to add that.
I mean transport encryption.

Thanks,
Jake
On 07/27/2018 08:29 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
Citadel Support:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jake <jake@aCe-Clan.org>

I have recently switched from Postfix+Dovecot to Citadel(because its
easier to use) and I've noticed that E-Mails that are send using Citadel
are shown as not encrypted in Gmail. Even though I have a CA Cert at
Let's Encrypt and it is correctly linked to in the keys folder of Citadel.

You seem to be confusing email encryption (PGP, SMIME) with transport
encryption (TLS, SSL). Neither Postfix nor Citadel encrypts your emails,
they just encrypt the *connection* to other mail hosts or mail clients
(transport encryption). The emails themselves are still unencrypted
unless you do so in the program you use for writing your emails
(Thunderbird, Outlook, ...).

So, can you please clarify which one you're after? I guess it's
transport encryption, just to be sure...

Bye...

Dirk

[#] Fri Jul 27 2018 11:25:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site are not encrypted. Even thoughthey should be.

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I am rather sure I just have to configure Citadel to enforce Encryption

but I don't know where/how I can do that. I haven't found anything
useful in the FAQ, docs, webinterface, or through online searches.

As others have pointed out, you have to enable encryption on *outbound* SMTP connections.

Fortunately, there is an undocumented option to enable this. Change to your Citadel Server directory (/usr/local/citadel if using the Easy Install distribution) and enter the following command:

./sendcommand 'conf putval|c_smtpclient_try_starttls|1'

With this option enabled, outbound SMTP connections will use encryption if it is offered by the receiving server.

I'd like to ask you for some help please. Anyone who turns this option on, please provide feedback regarding whether it works well or if there are side effects. I think it's safe to use this everywhere now but I'd like to be 100% sure about it before we make this the default behavior.

[#] Fri Jul 27 2018 12:56:30 EDT from KojimaleR @ Uncensored

Subject: Re: Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site are not encrypted. Even thoughthey should be.

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I try this, and this setting doesn't do anything.

 

Fri Jul 27 2018 11:25:04 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored Subject: Re: Gmail says that E-Mails from my Site are not encrypted. Even thoughthey should be.
I am rather sure I just have to configure Citadel to enforce Encryption

but I don't know where/how I can do that. I haven't found anything
useful in the FAQ, docs, webinterface, or through online searches.

As others have pointed out, you have to enable encryption on *outbound* SMTP connections.

Fortunately, there is an undocumented option to enable this. Change to your Citadel Server directory (/usr/local/citadel if using the Easy Install distribution) and enter the following command:

./sendcommand 'conf putval|c_smtpclient_try_starttls|1'

With this option enabled, outbound SMTP connections will use encryption if it is offered by the receiving server.

I'd like to ask you for some help please. Anyone who turns this option on, please provide feedback regarding whether it works well or if there are side effects. I think it's safe to use this everywhere now but I'd like to be 100% sure about it before we make this the default behavior.

 



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