There's a difference between packing up and leaving and trying not to get caught unprotected with three kids if there's a rocket attack.

It's a bit disquieting listening to the Jingoism here. I firmly believe in the saying "Don't get mad get even!" .  Getting even isn't about vengence. I believe that any intelligent person would see getting even as putting a 'stop' to fear - not causing more of it. 

I am born and bred in the UK, but i am Irish. My family is all Irish, mum/dad etc...  Now aswell as the Jewish people the Irish people have suffered a fair share ( and many might argue that the great famine was indeed a genocide, which to some extent it might have been, and also the land clearances in Scotland which certainly was), and as i work with alot of Poilsh people (their are over 2 million young poles in the UK at any one time; after they joined the EU) i know for a fact that the Poles suffered terribly during the last world war.  But the Irish and the Jewish people do share a bit - at least in recent history.

Do we really need to repeat history to learn the same old lessons again?  (i support the military btw, i have family in the USA in the US military, and also i have had many friends in the British army, (these are the people who have to sort out the mess people like you would cause if you were in a position to pass laws and start wars don't forget (i was also in the military of sorts, its a part of the British army for young people aged 13 to 18 - army cadets they call them).

In the UK we also have a very sizable Asian population, and both India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons - as you well know, and we have been on the brink of  a nuclear war on several occasions: ---- and you want to nuke an Arab country.

I really cannot fathom your reasoning. I can only assume you have lost your better judgment for a moment there?

Jews: if you think Obama is bad for your interests, just wait till
President Paul gets in.

The Israel situation is simple - Hamas must be brought to full surrender. Any other solution will end up with rockets continuing to rain down on Israel.

I'll give you the name for this campaign: Endloesung.

Mon Aug 11 2014 18:19:35 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

2014-08-11 08:46 from triLcat @uncnsrd
The Israel situation is simple - Hamas must be brought to full
surrender. Any other solution will end up with rockets continuing to
rain down on Israel.

This only buys you a few years of quiet, while they resupply and rebuild.

I was thinking surrender like the Germans surrendered ending WWII.

Mon Aug 11 2014 09:59:05 PM EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

 Mon Aug 11 2014 18:19:35 EDTfrom LoanShark @ Uncensored 

2014-08-11 08:46 from triLcat @uncnsrd
The Israel situation is simple - Hamas must be brought to full
surrender. Any other solution will end up with rockets continuing to
rain down on Israel.

This only buys you a few years of quiet, while they resupply and rebuild.

I was thinking surrender like the Germans surrendered ending WWII.

 

TriL,  you should know by now that Hamas does not surrender.  Hell, they won't even keep a 72hr truce....

Frankly, there are nut-jobs on both ends of the spectrum.  I'd love to stick them all in a padded white room together for about 30 days and then see what's left over at the end of it.

Also, just for once, I'd like to see a moderate in office whose platform (yes, s/he must have one!) actually reflects some concept of the reality of today's world.  But that would require an honest billionaire, since s/he wouldn't have party dollars to run with and I'm pretty sure those don't exist.

Mon Aug 11 2014 23:57:36 EDTfrom vince-q @ Uncensored

I was thinking surrender like the Germans surrendered ending WWII.

 

Keep in mind that the German surrender was followed by the imposition of an occupation army totalling roughly half a million troops (mostly USA and Soviet) from 1945 through.... well.... there are *still* siginificant numbers of American military in Germany.

Initially it was "denazification" and then the Cold War.

Now, it's probably just the beer!

 

or maybe rather the outreach from europe - think of what you can easily reach with a Jet from southern germany;

Ramstein and (even cologne for supplies - I still can hear the galaxies roaring)  played significant parts in all Irak wars

all of the other troops left - meanwhile only the americans are left.