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[#] Tue Feb 21 2023 19:29:18 EST from Nurb432

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Oh, and since we get free training courses ( actually its part of our review.. x amount of classes ), i figured id take advantage of that as i watch things unfold.



[#] Wed Feb 22 2023 12:12:34 EST from fandarel

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I'll have 25 years here in June. The ship is sinking, but so far I've managed to stay dry, and the band is still playing and there is fun and interesting work still to be done. I'm keeping my resume and networks updated, and keeping my eyes open, but nothing good enough yet to make me jump ship.
How's that for highest concentration of tired business metaphors in 3 sentences?

[#] Wed Feb 22 2023 13:43:37 EST from Nurb432

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I get the feeling the entire IT industry is sinking. it feels a lot like when i worked in automotive ( still IT ) back in the 80s and 90s..

I dont have much time left to care, i hope bailing water gets me to that point and no swimming is needed. ( but i fear this fall i need to jump on another boat before i have to swim )

 

2 more people at the office just announced they are leaving.  Cant sand the place ( management ) anymore



[#] Wed Feb 22 2023 20:08:56 EST from zelgomer

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2023-02-22 18:43 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
I get the feeling the entire IT industry is sinking. it feels a lot
like when i worked in automotive ( still IT ) back in the 80s and
90s..


Too bad. Sometimes when the bullshit of r&d gets to me, I have thought about IT as a change of pace before. Guess that probably not be a good choice.

[#] Thu Feb 23 2023 09:07:52 EST from anonymous

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2023-02-21 18:45 from IGnatius T Foobar
How about that, we both started our current jobs the same year. I will

hit 22 years on Feb 26.

Dunno what your skill set is, but if you have a CV you're willing to

share?



I have! I have! I have!

I suspect the TSA would not let me into the US lol. A friend of mine tried and they pulled guns on him because he looked exactly like some guy in the Top Wanted list.


[#] Thu Feb 23 2023 09:13:22 EST from darknetuser

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2 more people at the office just announced they are leaving.  Cant

sand the place ( management ) anymore


haha, well, it seems competent people leaving is a trend these days.

Firms are so bad at touching things that work and destroying them. My father used to work as a contractor for some small profile companies. He would be hired, set things in motion and, once they started working, he would be fired. The whole firm would sink and burn in a matter of months afterwards because nobody knew how to operate the branch my father had setup without him. A hard lesson I have learned is that if they hire you, fire you and discover they needed you for everything to work, they won't call you back. They will know how much you are worth but you are already out getting work somewhere else.


My mother is in the chopping block this month. It is a similar story. She has her next job lined up already but I think when they eventually kick her from her current job, her department will collapse in a matter of weeks.

[#] Thu Feb 23 2023 17:34:37 EST from Nurb432

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lol

Thu Feb 23 2023 09:07:52 AM EST from anonymous
I have! I have! I have!

I suspect the TSA would not let me into the US lol. A friend of mine tried and they pulled guns on him because he looked exactly like some guy in the Top Wanted list.

 



[#] Thu Feb 23 2023 17:37:23 EST from Nurb432

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Email today "i have to say this is a great place to work, as a fellow employee"   ( paraphrased slightly to protect the guilty )

its the big guy. of course its a great place, for him.



[#] Sat Feb 25 2023 09:05:13 EST from zelgomer

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2023-02-23 22:37 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Email today "i have to say this is a great place to work, as a fellow
employee"   ( paraphrased slightly to protect the guilty )

its the big guy. of course its a great place, for him.


lol is that supposed to be an opinion or a diktat? "This is a great place to work, and you WILL enjoy it. Or else."

Or maybe it's a threat. "You won't find anything better, so don't bother looking."

[#] Sun Feb 26 2023 17:59:08 EST from Nurb432

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a little of both

Sat Feb 25 2023 09:05:13 AM EST from zelgomer
2023-02-23 22:37 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Email today "i have to say this is a great place to work, as a fellow
employee"   ( paraphrased slightly to protect the guilty )

its the big guy. of course its a great place, for him.


lol is that supposed to be an opinion or a diktat? "This is a great place to work, and you WILL enjoy it. Or else."

Or maybe it's a threat. "You won't find anything better, so don't bother looking."

 



[#] Mon Feb 27 2023 11:14:39 EST from Nurb432

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User: "i can access your cloud hosted app from my house, but i cant if i'm on the office VPN" . "Ill open a ticket using the system externally to get some help"

HD:  "Hmm lets send that to the app support team, using the same system and claim its down"

Um no, idiots.

 

 

 



[#] Wed Mar 01 2023 13:26:10 EST from Nurb432

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"why do we have to do this evaluation of products, why cant we just go buy what i want and switch".  So we can spend 5 million a year ( up from 175k a year ), lose quite a bit of functionality, a 2 year upheaval and re-engineering of EVERYTHING we do, and a lot of what 35 other business units do.. and how 200 more BUs interact with us...

ya, makes sense to me just to go out and buy what you want instead..  not.



[#] Fri Mar 10 2023 14:22:26 EST from darknetuser

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Is it just my imagination, or does IT experience in your CV make it *harder* to score non IT positions?

I have considered dropping IT experience from my CV, because when I hand it away, recruiters laser focus on sysadmin stuff and tell me they don't need a sysadmin (ignoring the fact there is a whole lot of other stuff in the CV that is not IT related).

The issue there is if I drop IT experience, it looks like I have been doing nothing for a number of years, and it looks even worse.

They used to say everybody was recruiting Engineers with IT experience. My ass.

[#] Fri Mar 10 2023 15:36:34 EST from Nurb432

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Im not sure that its having IT, its just having things 'different' than you are going for in general. 

"why are you changing careers, IT makes all sorts of money, what is wrong with you" sort of thing. 



[#] Fri Mar 10 2023 15:41:09 EST from darknetuser

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2023-03-10 15:36 from Nurb432
Im not sure that its having IT, its just having things 'different'
than you are going for in general. 

"why are you changing careers, IT makes all sorts of money, what is
wrong with you" sort of thing. 


Yes, I have thought about that, but last time I applied to an IT position and somebody actually read the CV, nobody focused on the whole shitload of non-IT stuff I have under my belt.

[#] Mon Mar 13 2023 16:43:30 EDT from fandarel

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Yes, I have thought about that, but last time I applied to an IT
position and somebody actually read the CV, nobody focused on the whole

shitload of non-IT stuff I have under my belt.

I think I'm seeing roughly the same. When I started in an IT-adjacent position (audio conferencing systems), the career path for IT folks was NOC -> 3rd/4th level -> Network/systems design & Engineering. The feeling was that anybody that survived 2-3 years in the NOC getting the crap beat out of them, working shifts, figuring shit out, and didn't either collapse or run away screaming, was good enough to promote.
For me, I was in the trenches for about 18 years mostly because I really enjoyed the travel, love troubleshooting complex systems, and enjoy learning new things. The last 6-ish years I've also had a managemnet hat on, but I'm still hands-on probably 75% of the time as it's a small group. I do IT stuff, but I can also do management stuff, budgeting, project management, documentation, customer relationship management, sales support, etc etc. Nobody wants to hire me for Engineering, despite my EE degree, because they get hung up at the vast amount of IT experience I have. Fixing stuff, not designing stuff.
Maybe it's a resume thing. Change of words, that sort of thing. I don't know. I'm still scratching my head.

[#] Wed Mar 15 2023 20:10:21 EDT from darknetuser

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Maybe it's a resume thing. Change of words, that sort of thing. I

don't know. I'm still scratching my head.


I have resignated myself to be self-employed forever. I just don't have the skills to convince management types that I am useful. It is a shame because I am great at dealing with customers. I hate people but somehow I can tell somebody they have a problem that is gonna cost them a lot of money or that I made a mistake that is going to introduce bad delays for them and they still thank me and give me 5 stars for customer service in review sites.

It sucks extra because $government wants us all to be employees to third parties and aplies bad penaulties to self-employed people.

[#] Wed Mar 15 2023 20:17:34 EDT from Nurb432

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Similar here. I hate people. But its my job to be friendly, helpful and be customer focused.  So i am. ( sort of ironic.  "be a computer person, great for introverts". didnt quite work out that way.. )

 

And yes, government wants all to be serfs. Serfs are not self-employed.  



[#] Sat Apr 01 2023 14:28:05 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I get the feeling the entire IT industry is sinking. it feels a lot
like when i worked in automotive ( still IT ) back in the 80s and

The problem with IT is that at least once in every generation we go through a tulip mania. The trade press and the business poindexters continue breathlessly bleating about our "journey to the cloud" in much the same way they bleated about "NT migration" in the 1990s. Eventually we will hit a tipping point where businesses come to the realization that there are some very good places to use cloud (low end deployments, and super elastic scalable deployments) and a lot of organizations in between will realize that other models really do make more operational and financial sense.

Why am I bringing this up? Because, as I might have mentioned before, I'm noticing a trend in the pool of available candidates. Many of the younger ones were "born in the cloud". Put them in a data center or even a network closet and they have absolutely no idea how anything works. All they know is what's available on the cloud portal.

And so ... cloud is making young IT people stupid.

I think I'm ok with that. We need to cull the herd. We never really recovered from the dot.com boom where everyone who should have been a barista went into IT instead because that's where all the money was at the time. That's still a thing. There is a portion of the population that will chase whatever field they perceive as lucrative, whether they are interested in it or not. Those people need to rethink their world.

Give it time. These things always swing back and forth.

[#] Sun Apr 02 2023 13:03:07 EDT from darknetuser

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Why am I bringing this up? Because, as I might have mentioned before,

I'm noticing a trend in the pool of available candidates. Many of the

younger ones were "born in the cloud". Put them in a data center or

even a network closet and they have absolutely no idea how anything

works. All they know is what's available on the cloud portal.


Meanwhile I stay here using stoneage in-premise tech with YP for authentication and a lot of Perl glue code.

I have noticed the cloud trend in that a lot of applications that have no necessity for tight cloud integration support only cloudish deployments in their official form. I am talking about web services that are intended to run behind some simple reverse proxy, and work with a common database. Instead of giving you instructions for manual install, they tell you Docker Compose is the only official method and if you don't want to use docker you end up having to figure out the docker files yourself. It isn't horrible, but I dislike the trend.

If it helps, I know people who develops TCP/IP dissectors for a living and don't know ARP is a layer 2 protocol.

Which positions are you trying to fill with so many candidates?

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