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[#] Fri Jul 18 2014 16:15:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Don't bother optimizing for upstart; it's going away in favor of systemd, even in Ubuntu.

systemd can be told to run stuff in the foreground, as if it were called directly from /etc/inittab under old init. I don't know how kosher that is (probably not very) but it does work.

[#] Fri Jul 18 2014 17:44:28 EDT from LoanShark

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called directly from /etc/inittab under old init. I don't know how
kosher that is (probably not very) but it does work.

Not very kosher under old init, because you had to change runlevels just to enable/disable a specific service.

Might not be considered such a bad thing under a fancier init.

[#] Fri Jul 18 2014 22:20:13 EDT from fleeb

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I'm intending to write configurations for the three styles of startup.

I have a couple of sysv scripts made, and (now) the upstart. Next, I'll want to create one for systemd.

At the very least, supporting these more recent inits allow me to take advantage of parrallelization, which strikes me as a good thing.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 12:53:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Hmm, I just thought of something:

Some programs use -d (debug) to force them to stay in the foreground (and spew debug info)

Some programs use -d (daemon) to force them to go into the background

This is an atrocity. I blame the previous owner of my old house, whose last name begins with the letter D, for this atrocity.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:34:00 EDT from zooer

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Stupid standards.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:34:08 EDT from zooer

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I would call Linus.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 14:54:14 EDT from fleeb

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I am not sure, but -v seems to be more popular for debugging info (e.g. 'verbose').
But, again, I kinda feel like I'm dipping my toe into all of this.

[#] Sat Jul 19 2014 15:47:25 EDT from zooer

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Free network equipment shape gallery designed to allow #LibreOffice and #OpenOffice users to create network

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 08:48:54 EDT from zooer

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Learn VIm while playing a game.

Seems to me you have to know Vim to play the game, I really didn't get too far before becoming frustrated. You
are the black cursor not the guy in the center of the screen.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 09:29:20 EDT from fleeb

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that's rather neat, actually.

I'd love to play that sometime when I'm not at work.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 10:05:00 EDT from fleeb

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Playing with Fedora today.

Maybe I don't quite understand the issue that lead someone to say something like this, but supposedly we can't build binary RPMs because we haven't paid for a Red Hat Developer's license or somesuch.

That doesn't strike me as true, though, so I'm looking into things myself.
Hence, installing Fedora. Well, that, and I wanted to look at systemd and see how well I can set up our services to auto-start in that environment's configuration scheme.

Lots of toe-dipping this year.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 10:06:50 EDT from fleeb

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I'll say this for Fedora, though... it looks pretty out of the box.

But I'm not sure I like the whole 'grab the screen and pull up' screen-locking mechanism they use. I'm sure I can configure something else, but... this isn't a touch-screen.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 14:18:23 EDT from dothebart

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fleeb, you should use centos to compile.

these are guaranteed to produce library dependencies with RHEL.

with fedora you've got bleeding edge, and may not find your libs over there.

[#] Tue Jul 22 2014 15:10:27 EDT from fleeb

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Oh, nice to know!

I've at least managed to learn how to work with systemd with Fedora. But it's a little weird that one form of logging to syslog works, while the other one I use doesn't (yeah, this is difficult to explain well).

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 00:45:35 EDT from ax25

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Mon Jul 07 2014 07:51:09 AM EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

Maddog is digitizing his ye olde VHS-Tapes:

Linus talk at dec.

Nice!  Thanks for that.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 10:54:30 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I would call Linus.

Linus will just change the kernel ABI so your program doesn't work at all anymore.

[#] Wed Jul 23 2014 10:54:40 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Free network equipment shape gallery designed to allow #LibreOffice and
#OpenOffice users to create network

Ooh, nice!

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:36:47 EDT from fleeb

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Holy hell, but I managed to compile Gnu GCC 4.7.3 on Valhalla. I'm feeling plucky, though... building GCC 4.8.3 on it now.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:48:24 EDT from fleeb

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Honestly, compiling these damned compilers feels like I'm beating code into submission. Seriously.

'nm' complains that it doens't understand the -p option? No problem. the
'nm' that it's calling is actually 'exec' (for some insane reason), so I just replaced it with the binutil/nm-new that it should have used in the first place. Shit like this.

Valhalla's version of zlib doesn't have compressBound, which is required by the latest version of binutils, which is required by GCC now? No problem, I'll write it myself. Oh, that function needs 'ceil', which is in -lm, but I can't link it? I'll create my own 'ceil'. How hard can it be?

I'm beating this fucking code into submission.

[#] Fri Jul 25 2014 10:59:49 EDT from fleeb

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Valhalla's kernel lacks an __NR_exit_group interrupt, which libsanitizer wants? No problem, configure --disable-libsanitizer and try again.

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