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[#] Tue May 02 2023 18:46:58 UTC from nonservator

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But if they block ChatGPT, how will ChatGPT save us from right-wing fascism?

Guys? Guys! Did you hear? Twitter is under the rule of an inept petty tyrant!

Sorry, let me translate that:

TWITTUH IS UNDUH DA WOOL OF AN INEPT PETTY TYWANT!1!



[#] Tue May 02 2023 18:53:41 UTC from Nurb432

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never heard of gigablast.  seems to be gone now.



[#] Wed May 03 2023 02:05:38 UTC from darknetuser

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2023-05-02 14:53 from Nurb432
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never heard of gigablast.  seems to be gone now.


I have mentioned it numerous times around but nobody ever listens to my wise advice :(

I suppose we can keep Mojeek as a replacement. Gigablast was semi-opensource, though.

[#] Tue May 09 2023 11:55:19 UTC from nonservator

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Thom Holwerda, mincing faggot of OSNews.com, on "What Happens When Google Search Doesn't Have the Answers?":

"Search on the web is in a terrible state right now. Searching for anything on Google is a horrible experience, with results riddled with ads and an endless stream of SEO’d garbage content of low to no quality. Alternatives, such as DuckDuckGo, aren’t much better, and tend to promote garbage anti-science and fascist nonsense if you’re not careful enough."



[#] Tue May 09 2023 13:45:31 UTC from Nurb432

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To be fair, "riddled with ads ", well that is how google pays the bills..  No ads = no google search.   Sounds like someone wants a free lunch.

But, of course promoting left-wing censorship, complete with talking points, that another issue.

Tue May 09 2023 07:55:19 AM EDT from nonservator Subject: Re: De-centralized search engines

Thom Holwerda, mincing faggot of OSNews.com, on "What Happens When Google Search Doesn't Have the Answers?":

"Search on the web is in a terrible state right now. Searching for anything on Google is a horrible experience, with results riddled with ads and an endless stream of SEO’d garbage content of low to no quality. Alternatives, such as DuckDuckGo, aren’t much better, and tend to promote garbage anti-science and fascist nonsense if you’re not careful enough."



 



[#] Wed May 10 2023 20:44:40 UTC from darknetuser

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2023-05-09 07:55 from nonservator
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Thom Holwerda, mincing faggot of OSNews.com, on "What Happens When
Google Search Doesn't Have the Answers?":

"Search on the web is in a terrible state right now. Searching for
anything on Google is a horrible experience, with results riddled
with ads and an endless stream of SEO’d garbage content of low to
no quality. Alternatives, such as DuckDuckGo, aren’t much better,

and tend to promote garbage anti-science and fascist nonsense if
you’re not careful enough."


Google results have been going down the drain for quite some time already.


I think the best option nowadays is to use a Searx instance instead, with a combination of indexes enabled.

[#] Wed May 10 2023 21:19:09 UTC from Nurb432

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actually,  i have found lately i dont hardly bother with search anyway.  Or much of anything else online

Perhaps its apathy, or just not giving a damn anymore, but its all crap. everything. everywhere.



[#] Thu May 11 2023 05:28:20 UTC from papa

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Sturgeon's Law rules the universe.

Personally, I use DuckDuckGo most of the time and have not noticed any bias in results. Sometimes I find something useful, sometimes not.



[#] Thu May 11 2023 08:27:04 UTC from darknetuser

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2023-05-10 17:19 from Nurb432
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actually,  i have found lately i dont hardly bother with search
anyway.  Or much of anything else online

Perhaps its apathy, or just not giving a damn anymore, but its all
crap. everything. everywhere.


I agree that actual content has also gone down the drain, but sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do. This often means you gotta search "$program memory leak issue" to find out if a fix exist to your damn program :P

[#] Thu May 11 2023 08:30:24 UTC from darknetuser

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2023-05-11 01:28 from papa
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Sturgeon's Law rules the universe.

Personally, I use DuckDuckGo most of the time and have not noticed

any bias in results. Sometimes I find something useful, sometimes
not.


DuckDuckGo is better than Google in that regard, but you may notice it tries to keep the "worst of the web" hidden.

If you want to find video footage of the last shootout in which a cop pocked some holes in a robber, chances are big search engines and platforms will have it removed from search results.

Yandex does not bother that much to hide ugly searches, for example. Not that I like Yandex.

[#] Thu May 11 2023 17:58:46 UTC from nonservator

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Yandex does not obey + or - any more than the cucked search engines of the West. Absolute trash.



[#] Thu May 11 2023 20:07:33 UTC from Nurb432

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To me Yandex seems to do a better job with 'sensitive subjects' than US based ones. Which is ironic. However, for general topics ( like code help, or how to bake a cake ) US based ones seem better.

Need a decentralized one that provides a meta-search of the big ones + its own bots to avoid the censorship/bias. 

Thu May 11 2023 01:58:46 PM EDT from nonservator Subject: Re: De-centralized search engines

Yandex does not obey + or - any more than the cucked search engines of the West. Absolute trash.



 



[#] Thu May 11 2023 23:22:00 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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To me Yandex seems to do a better job with 'sensitive subjects' than
US based ones. Which is ironic. However, for general topics ( like
code help, or how to bake a cake ) US based ones seem better.

That is what I like about Yandex, the search results are not filtered to enforce Silicon Valley values.

As has been suggested however, computing power is increasing faster than the size of the searchable web in general, so it is only a matter of time before search becomes democratized and commoditized. It might be a while but I think we will get there.

At this point it's "anything but Google" for me, mainly because I can't stand their stupid "doodles". Bing is disqualified as well, not because it's from Micro$oft, but because it's nearly impossible to search Bing without being force-fed MSN News.

Brave Search is my favorite but it's blocked by our IT department (along with Yandex) so I use DuckDuckGo at work and Brave Search at home.

[#] Thu May 11 2023 23:30:18 UTC from Nurb432

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"news"?

Id call it propaganda :)  

Thu May 11 2023 07:22:00 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: De-centralized search engines
 being force-fed MSN News.


 



[#] Fri May 12 2023 20:26:32 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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"news"?

Well that's what they call it. The fact that it's actually the usual corporate propaganda is the main reason I refuse to accept it on my screen.

[#] Tue May 23 2023 02:23:24 UTC from sirdotcom

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Thanks for the info.  I have used DuckDuckGo a bit in the past but don't like it cause it's just Bing mostly.  I will play with YaCY for sure as it sounds promising.  Yandex is ok, I like it a lot better than google and duckduckgo for sure.  I am using Brave browser as of earlier tonite and so far am quite pleased.  Hopefully Brave search will prove to be pretty decent as I have heard.

 

Sun Apr 30 2023 08:22:17 EDT from Nurb432 Subject: Re: De-centralized search engines

What is wrong with YaCY? 

Not distributed but how about duck duck go? not perfect but better.

And as silly as it sounds, something like yandex, While still a huge corp i have found it less restrictive/biased ( for non-Russian things anyway, i cant comment about in-country bias ) than google.

 

Sun Apr 30 2023 12:40:44 AM EDT from thesirdotcom Subject: De-centralized search engines

Does anyone know of any good de-centralized engines like Ya-cy that are live now to the public?  I recently have decided to migrate away from the goolge/bing padded-cell and discover new things for a change.  Obviously it is difficult to find such things nowadays!  I can think of no more fun I had than in the early 90s accessing the web through a telnet connection to wustl.edu library and using Lynx.  Things only went downhill from there.  No images, but lots of information that shaped me which would never happen now.



 



 



[#] Fri Jul 14 2023 18:07:28 UTC from nonservator

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"Has anyone else been blocked from signing up to services by trying to sign up using a non-mobile phone number? I actually have a proper business line forwarded to me for business calls, but providers including google like to block such lines."

Oddly, I remember when it was mobile phones that were considered untrustworthy.



[#] Fri Jul 14 2023 20:15:51 UTC from Nurb432

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I have been blocked " we do not support VoIP connections"

Why the hell not?

Fri Jul 14 2023 02:07:28 PM EDT from nonservator

"Has anyone else been blocked from signing up to services by trying to sign up using a non-mobile phone number? I actually have a proper business line forwarded to me for business calls, but providers including google like to block such lines."

Oddly, I remember when it was mobile phones that were considered untrustworthy.



 



[#] Sat Jul 15 2023 16:47:47 UTC from darknetuser

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2023-07-14 14:07 from nonservator
"Has anyone else been blocked from signing up to services by trying

to sign up using a non-mobile phone number? I actually have a proper

business line forwarded to me for business calls, but providers
including google like to block such lines."

Oddly, I remember when it was mobile phones that were considered
untrustworthy.


That happens regularly.

I think the idea is e mobile phone number is asociated to a person but a tabletop phone number is asociated with a location. If you want to sue phone numbers as identifiers for people, it makes more sense to demand they are mobile.

I personally oppose using phone numbers as user identifiers.

[#] Tue Jul 18 2023 22:08:37 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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It might also have to do with the fact that a mobile number can receive text messages, and a landline can't. If the developer of a service is lazy and insists on relying on text messages for number verification, that disqualifies landlines.

Does anyone under 70 years old even *have* a landline anymore?

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