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Scumbags. And last i heard, transferring a NFA item, even for free, requires taxes to be paid and background checks to be run first. This was a crime. Borderline straw-man purchase too.
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2025-01-17 19:23 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
Scumbags. And last i heard, transferring a NFA item, even for free,
requires taxes to be paid and background checks to be run first.
This was a crime. Borderline straw-man purchase too.
Yeah but those laws are for thee, not for "me".
If they were, nobody in the ATF should be able to pass NICS.
New York ( i think state ) is trying to force background checks on buying an additive manufacturing device ( 3D printer, common term but worded it that way as they will want to register subtractive machining next.. mills and lathes )
All because you might, possibly, maybe, make a gun part. Which is actually legal to do anyway. I assume that means kids cant own a printer now?
What is next, armed guards at the local hardware store and only letting in licensed contractors?
Its just an regional appellate court so i'm sure it will end up with SCOTUS eventually but seems they finally struck down that rule about requiring you to be 21 to purchase a gun. 18 is an adult. Arbitrarily restricting adults contitnual rights is wrong. Either remove those restrictions, or raise the age of adulthood to 21. Else its a legal contradiction and needs to be gone.
Next, should strike down alcohol rules too, but the risk there is the entire 21st amendment might get overturned, and we end up with prohibition again. Not that i'm a drinker so it would not effect me personally if it vanished, but we saw what happened last time that took place and it effected everyone, and not in good ways. ( and was wrong anyway )
Subject: RE: 18 for responsibilities, 21 for privileges
2025-03-12 20:29 from IGnatius T Foobar
That old gag. 18 for responsibilities, 21 for privileges. Things
worked better when they handed you a rifle at 12 but you had to be 35
to vote.
This ties to something I really loved about an old TV show named "Fury: the story of a horse and the boy who loved him". It's from the 50s.
I noticed early on the show hailed from a totally different culture than my own native one. The farm had rifles hanging on the walls. And when Boy Scouts went on a trip they packed knives and axes.
Show a kid chopping wood with an axe here and somebody will scream bloody murder :(
By the way, the series was golden. Go watch it.
New ATF director. Supposedly not a bad one for a change.
We will see....
( tho really the ATF should be dissolved, at its core its unconstitutional. )
Wed Mar 19 2025 23:11:57 UTC from Nurb432New ATF director. Supposedly not a bad one for a change.
We will see....
( tho really the ATF should be dissolved, at its core its unconstitutional. )
Before you ever say that anything is "unconstitutional", consider the very first paragraph of the US Constitution:
> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America
In what way is the ATF "unconstitutional"?
"Shall not infringe" is pretty clear English. ATF was founded to infringe. Every single action, of them is an infringement. Their very existence is.
Unless the 2nd is stuck down, its pretty black and white.
Mon Mar 24 2025 06:59:59 UTC from PanaSonic
In what way is the ATF "unconstitutional"?
Mon Mar 24 2025 10:55:18 UTC from Nurb432"Shall not infringe" is pretty clear English. ATF was founded to infringe. Every single action, of them is an infringement. Their very existence is.
Unless the 2nd is stuck down, its pretty black and white.
Mon Mar 24 2025 06:59:59 UTC from PanaSonic
In what way is the ATF "unconstitutional"?
Oh, come on now, be specific.
You are also failing to include all the qualifiers before "shall not be infringed", but that's a different topic than what specifically the ATF does to infringe.
The interpretation of "qualifiers" in this context are not relevant, only the founders intent. But, regardless it clearly states that the law of the land is not to infringe. Not under certain circumstances, or other vague things, its absolute in its wording, for a reason. The ATF was created with the sole purpose to enforce unconstitutional laws, and enact its own unconstitutional rules along the way as 'interpretation' of said unconstitutional law. Our founders would be appealed and ashamed.
( at the time they were also racist unconstitutional laws, which is doubly wrong, but that is old news as like with all draconian rules, its expanded well beyond that original intent and is used to attack all citizens )
To list everything the ATF does that is wrong, would mean listing everything act have ever done.
Mon Mar 24 2025 16:39:13 UTC from PanaSonic
Oh, come on now, be specific.
You are also failing to include all the qualifiers before "shall not be infringed", but that's a different topic than what specifically the ATF does to infringe.
You still haven't listed one thing. I'd think if it's "everything they'd ever done", you could recite from memory, or at least very quickly obtain a long list of items.
They also regulate alcohol, tobacco, and explosives. Or do some of those also count as "must not be infringed" items, as well?
Are you OK with taxing or licensing? Regulations that require training (being that "well-regulated" is a requirement of "shall not be infringed")
And shall we perhaps also discuss "necessary to the security of a free State" as a qualifier to "shall not be infringed"?
But first, let's see some examples of "things the ATF does that are unconstitutional"?
Not going to argue with you here as well. Have a nice day.
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Tue Mar 25 2025 08:39:33 UTC from PanaSonicYou still haven't listed one thing. I'd think if it's "everything they'd ever done", you could recite from memory, or at least very quickly obtain a long list of items.
They also regulate alcohol, tobacco, and explosives. Or do some of those also count as "must not be infringed" items, as well?
Are you OK with taxing or licensing? Regulations that require training (being that "well-regulated" is a requirement of "shall not be infringed")
And shall we perhaps also discuss "necessary to the security of a free State" as a qualifier to "shall not be infringed"?
But first, let's see some examples of "things the ATF does that are unconstitutional"?
They also regulate alcohol, tobacco, and explosives. Or do
some of those also count as "must not be infringed" items, as
well?
That is non-related in that if I do 5 things, I am a felon if 1 of the things I do is a felony regardless of the legality of the other 4.
In any case it is prety safe to deduce the ATF is working against the ability of the US population for mobilizing a civilian armed force in short term if required, which was the idea behind letting people have weapons, actually.
Before you ever say that anything is "unconstitutional", consider the
very first paragraph of the US Constitution:
Thankfully, we consider the US Constitution in its entirety, not just the first paragraph, when we determine constitutionality.
The ATF is a tax collection agency. Taxation of an inalienable right is an infringement. The ATF is unconstitutional.
You are also failing to include all the qualifiers before "shall not
be infringed", but that's a different topic than what specifically
There are no qualifiers before "shall not be infringed."
But first, let's see some examples of "things the ATF does that are
unconstitutional"?
Okay, see: Bryan Malinowski.
Or go to your local gun store and tell them you want to buy a gun but you don't want to fill out a form 4473, or that you don't consent to a NICS search.
Or fill out the form 4473 and check the box that says you smoke weed. See what happens.
Buy an AR pistol and replace the brace with a real stock. Call up your local ATF office and tell them what you did and get back to me.
Be under the age of 21 and try to buy a handgun.
Use commonly available materials found at your local gun store to convert your guns to full auto capability. Shit, use a shoe string to make your 10/22 full auto.
While you've got your browser open, take some time to go read about the Branch Davidians at Waco Texas in 1993. Keep in mind what I wrote in my previous post: the ATF are not law enforcement, they're a tax agency. They kill people in their own homes over paperwork.
Let me take that back, not all of them failed. Thomas dissented, seeing the problem.
But he was out voted.
Wed Mar 26 2025 15:20:19 UTC from Nurb432scotus fails again.
SCOTUS blows it again. Little by little .. no rights for the serfs. Guess i wont be visiting NY, EVER.
"places where people gather" = everywhere. effectively a state wide ban except in your house ( if you can pass the 'test' )
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"The Supreme Court on Monday turned away a challenge to recently enacted gun restrictions in New York, sidestepping a new case on the right to bear arms.
The law, which the court previously refused to put on hold, was enacted immediately after the justices expanded the right to carry a firearm outside the home in June 2022.
The decision leaves in place an October ruling by the New York-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that upheld key provisions while striking some down.
A ban on concealed firearms in “sensitive locations,” such as health care facilities, churches, parks, entertainment venues and other places where people gather, remains in effect. So does a provision that requires gun owners to show “good moral character” to obtain concealed carry licenses.
A prohibition on concealed firearms on private property that is generally open to the public remains blocked, as does a provision that requires people applying for concealed carry licenses to provide information about their social media accounts.