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2014-07-20 07:58 from triLcat @uncnsrd
Nobody's cheering the bombardment of Gaza. If they're cheering, it's
the iron dome interceptions.
I suppose this didn't happen either,
"Twenty-five years that I am writing and knowing bitter criticism from both sides, but last week I gave up. Last week something inside of me broke. When Jewish youth parade through the city shouting "Death to the Arabs," and attack Arabs only because they are Arabs, I understood that I had lost my little war."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/sayed-kashua-why-i-have-to-leave-israel
Mon Jul 21 2014 10:50:28 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored2014-07-20 07:58 from triLcat @uncnsrd
Nobody's cheering the bombardment of Gaza. If they're cheering, it's
the iron dome interceptions.
I suppose this didn't happen either,
"Twenty-five years that I am writing and knowing bitter criticism from both sides, but last week I gave up. Last week something inside of me broke. When Jewish youth parade through the city shouting "Death to the Arabs," and attack Arabs only because they are Arabs, I understood that I had lost my little war."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/sayed-kashua-why-i-have-to-leave-israel
There was definitely no such parade. Every society has its crazies, but no... when some soccer fans started shouting "death to arabs," Israeli police kicked them out of the stadium. Things like that are NOT tolerated here in Israel.
Are there teenagers who think and feel that way? sure. Fire a thousand or so rockets at my people and I lose my temper a bit, too... I'm trying to focus my rage on the Hamas, because they are victimizing their own people as well as mine, but yeah, I've heard people say some nasty things - not parade about it, but definitely saying things. They're in the minority.
Also, I just spent an entire week in a hospital in Petach Tikva. There were Arab patients, doctors, nurses, cleaning and help staff everywhere.
I did not see anything in the entire week that could be described as racist. Not once.
Not when we were hiding in the hallways during siren attacks, not when we heard about the ground offensive. Not when helicopters were bringing in wounded soldiers, not when we heard that a Bedouin had been killed by a rocket strike. Racism exists, but it's not acceptable here.
Get your facts straight.
First you say you heard it, then you say you didn't.
If I have to keep my facts straight, then you have to keep your lies straight.
Discriminating against Arabs is racist and unacceptable.
Discriminating against people of *any* race who are adherent to an ideology that wants to kill everyone not willing to turn the whole world into sixth century Arabia ... fair game.
Mon Jul 21 2014 15:35:12 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored
First you say you heard it, then you say you didn't.
If I have to keep my facts straight, then you have to keep your lies straight.
The only place I've actually heard it loud and public was a soccer game about 7 years ago. The police made those involved either shut up or leave. The Israeli police.
Sure, people say all kinds of things in private whispers.
Very different from a parade.
No contradiction here. There is anger, there is a lot of anger at Hamas, there is no parade of people calling for death to Arabs.
I said I've heard racist statements.
Then I said that in an entire week in the hospital, I didn't hear any.
That doesn't negate the fact that in the past, I've heard racist statements.
Mon Jul 21 2014 20:44:02 EDT from vince-q @ UncensoredJust speculating here, but I would think that "death to Hamas" is not the same as "death to Arabs"....
imo, very much not the same.
The big tag I'm seeing among my mostly right-wing friends is #freegazafromhamas
No contradiction here. There is anger, there is a lot of anger at
Hamas, there is no parade of people calling for death to Arabs.
I was being overly harsh, but your little "check your facts" barb was un-called-for. It's your interpretation of the facts that differs.
I find it entirely credible that the author of that article has had to deal with an unruly mob or group of teenagers, considering his public profile he was likely singled out by some shitheads for verbal abuse. Semantic quibbling over the definition of a "parade" does not add to the discussion...
game about 7 years ago. The police made those involved either shut up
or leave. The Israeli police.
Considering they were trying to incite violence, being made to leave is light treatment.
So I was thinking, if the arabs want to claim more and more of Israel, they really should give the Jews a portion of Mecca.
How 'bout this:
Israel offers to give the Arabs *all* of the Gaza Strip in exchange for complete and sole jurisdiction and use of the Temple Mount.
Wed Jul 23 2014 14:36:17 EDT from vince-q @ Uncensored
How 'bout this:
Israel offers to give the Arabs *all* of the Gaza Strip in exchange for complete and sole jurisdiction and use of the Temple Mount.
They already HAVE all of the Gaza strip. We removed our citizens from Gaza in 2005.
Since then, it's become a massive rat-trap of terror tunnels and rocket launchers.
Wed Jul 23 2014 23:09:31 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored
This story seems extremely unlikely to me for a number of reasons, including the fact that people in sderot rarely leave their homes these days - they have 15 seconds from the alert until they need to be in their bomb shelters, and they are being hit with dozens of rockets each day.
Still, the pictures exist, so I'm not going to deny it until I've had a chance to find out.
I will say, though, that if there are a dozen people who've had enough and are watching the IDF's bombing, well... they must be in terrible shape to be willing to expose themselves like that to incoming rockets. I don't think they represent any group in Israel other than shell-shocked people living with PTSD from ten years of rocket bombardment.
Scroll to the bottom, it gets better.
"Mr. Sorensen, who stressed that he has .a complete understanding of what the people of Sderot have been going through for 14 years,. attributed the particularly vitriolic response to his Twitter report to the climate in Israel since three young religious students were kidnapped and murdered in the occupied West Bank last month. The journalist called the .extreme incitement to violence from very right-wing Israeli groups unprecedented. in the many years he has been reporting from the region."
Then the yellow flag.