I knew exactly why i was there, at first. And what i was running away from. First year is a total blur. I know i went and did stuff.. but that is about all i can remember. Year 2, i looked around, in an 'school' apartment with 3 other guys, some 5 hours from home with a broke car and thought, wtf am i doing this is serious, i gotta get things in order, like right now. Ended up on deans list, and teaching others before i left. Most of them got honors too.
On the car thing: So as not to bother my parents and look like an idiot, i decided to take a greyhound home to gather my other car and work out how to get the other home. NEVER again will i do that. it was a 9 hour ride. I remember the dread that i felt when they turned the opposite direction from home.. 'arrgh'. and stopped at EVERY DAMNED town between.... i should have just rented a u-haul and a car trailer, but the thought never crossed my younger and stupid self. Been a lot nicer and far shorter trip, and no return trip later that summer to bring the broke car back home to work on ( which was an adventure all on its own. Man i was stupid.. so were my friends, but we didnt die or goto jail.. ). But i guess the trip gave me a long boring evening to reflect on what the hell was going on in my life.
Wed Dec 16 2020 09:42:51 EST from ParanoidDelusions @ UncensoredThere are a lot of kids in college who really just don't know why they're there yet.
My daughter took a Senior trip with a few friends from Phoenix to LA on the dog.
We let her. Figured it was a valuable learning lesson. It certainly was. :)
Wed Dec 16 2020 19:34:24 EST from Nurb432 @ UncensoredI knew exactly why i was there, at first. And what i was running away from. First year is a total blur. I know i went and did stuff.. but that is about all i can remember. Year 2, i looked around, in an 'school' apartment with 3 other guys, some 5 hours from home with a broke car and thought, wtf am i doing this is serious, i gotta get things in order, like right now. Ended up on deans list, and teaching others before i left. Most of them got honors too.
On the car thing: So as not to bother my parents and look like an idiot, i decided to take a greyhound home to gather my other car and work out how to get the other home. NEVER again will i do that. it was a 9 hour ride. I remember the dread that i felt when they turned the opposite direction from home.. 'arrgh'. and stopped at EVERY DAMNED town between.... i should have just rented a u-haul and a car trailer, but the thought never crossed my younger and stupid self. Been a lot nicer and far shorter trip, and no return trip later that summer to bring the broke car back home to work on ( which was an adventure all on its own. Man i was stupid.. so were my friends, but we didnt die or goto jail.. ). But i guess the trip gave me a long boring evening to reflect on what the hell was going on in my life.
Wed Dec 16 2020 09:42:51 EST from ParanoidDelusions @ UncensoredThere are a lot of kids in college who really just don't know why they're there yet.
"will this ride ever end" " are we there yet"
No.
Wed Dec 16 2020 23:45:10 EST from ParanoidDelusions @ UncensoredMy daughter took a Senior trip with a few friends from Phoenix to LA on the dog.
We let her. Figured it was a valuable learning lesson. It certainly was. :)
LOL
Thu Dec 17 2020 10:42:20 EST from Nurb432 @ Uncensored"will this ride ever end" " are we there yet"
No.
To continue a pointless topic that was in the wrong place :)
Daily Driver:
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Older Intel I5 ( 7260U ) + average speed M.2 + 32G ram ( not that it would effect boot times unless its so low you are swapping at start )
Debian 10 ( with all updates )
From "boot timeout"( which is graphical-ish ) to X11 ( LXDM in my case ) login ~ 5 seconds. Displays about 3 lines of text for about a second then Debian logo the rest of the time. Non stock services: Docker ( 1 auto start ) MySQL, PostgreSQL, Apache.
From login to desktop, under a second. Assuming i can type my dammed password right :)
For average end user id say pretty acceptable both in speed and appearance. If they blink they would never see the text. Windows is noticeably slower to boot on the same box. A lot more? No. just enough that a person would notice and grumble. "is it done yet"
Couple of ARM boards to follow.
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I've been reliably taking Citadel rooms off topic since I discovered the software around 1987.
I'll do some times on my machines and report them here with specs. Debian is slower than OS X or Windows in my house - by a significant margin.
Thu Dec 24 2020 07:31:05 EST from Nurb432To continue a pointless topic that was in the wrong place :)
What i should do is get one of those Lenovos and pull it out of the cluster then load different OSs on it. That way its fair by using the same exact hardware ( and loading the same app software ). They are new enough to have video drivers for widows, and i know people have been putting OSX on them, ill have to look into how that is done these days,
Not that it really means anything, just an interesting diversion over the holidays as i'm bored and dont feel like doing anything constructive ( i did that today . the great purge of 2020 started as im dumping nearly all of what is left of my dead tree books, and all my 'electronics' supplies ( resisters, transistors, bla bla. component stuff )
hu Dec 24 2020 12:07:29 EST from ParanoidDelusionsI've been reliably taking Citadel rooms off topic since I discovered the software around 1987.
I'll do some times on my machines and report them here with specs. Debian is slower than OS X or Windows in my house - by a significant margin.
Thu Dec 24 2020 07:31:05 EST from Nurb432To continue a pointless topic that was in the wrong place :)
None of them are *intolerable*, anymore...
But when I was getting Citadel up and running on the Dell OptiPlex - I was rebooting Debian *a lot*. :)
Thu Dec 24 2020 14:24:12 EST from Nurb432What i should do is get one of those Lenovos and pull it out of the cluster then load different OSs on it. That way its fair by using the same exact hardware ( and loading the same app software ). They are new enough to have video drivers for widows, and i know people have been putting OSX on them, ill have to look into how that is done these days,
Not that it really means anything, just an interesting diversion over the holidays as i'm bored and dont feel like doing anything constructive ( i did that today . the great purge of 2020 started as im dumping nearly all of what is left of my dead tree books, and all my 'electronics' supplies ( resisters, transistors, bla bla. component stuff )
hu Dec 24 2020 12:07:29 EST from ParanoidDelusionsI've been reliably taking Citadel rooms off topic since I discovered the software around 1987.
I'll do some times on my machines and report them here with specs. Debian is slower than OS X or Windows in my house - by a significant margin.
Thu Dec 24 2020 07:31:05 EST from Nurb432To continue a pointless topic that was in the wrong place :)
Evidently not.
Wondering if the best room to rave about the Pi400 would be this room, the Linux room, or if maybe Citadel needs an ARM room.
In any case... for $100 USD... the Pi 400 is a pretty competent little computer. I probably should have gotten the 8GB model - if it is available, but 4GB is performing solidly so far. I'm on it right now.
It is a particular good little computer if you want to introduce your rugrats to computing, I'd think. The default build is very education oriented. I wish I had one of these when I was 10-12. Scatch3 is an interesting introduction to programming concepts. Who knows, maybe this will be the thing that helps programming finally click for me.
Also... I'm kind of in the job market...
Ack. sorry to hear you are out hitting the bricks. This is a bad time to be looking :(
While an ARM room isn't a bad idea, where does it stop? I want a RISC-V room, Moe wants a x86. Jerry wants FPGA...
Well... things are still up in the air... but we'll see how the bricks fall. It seems to be mostly a matter of if I decide to throw them at anyone or not, at this point. ;)
But I'm not really great at holding back - as you may have noticed. :D
To celebrate the economic uncertainty - I just bought a $680.00 FPGA Amiga (Vampire V4 Standalone) from Germany. Because... obviously I'll have a lot of free time to kill once I am unemployed - and what better way to do so than absorbing myself in a 30 year old dead-end platform?
On Processor Rooms - I suppose so - but there have been so many vaguely off topic discussions that were more about ARM than about the name of the machine they're in - it seems we do end up discussing ARM specifically a lot on this BBS. :)
Fri Jan 15 2021 08:20:00 EST from Nurb432Ack. sorry to hear you are out hitting the bricks. This is a bad time to be looking :(
While an ARM room isn't a bad idea, where does it stop? I want a RISC-V room, Moe wants a x86. Jerry wants FPGA...
Well, ARM is the future. Until it isn't :)
Fri Jan 15 2021 10:46:21 EST from ParanoidDelusions
On Processor Rooms - I suppose so - but there have been so many vaguely off topic discussions that were more about ARM than about the name of the machine they're in - it seems we do end up discussing ARM specifically a lot on this BBS. :)
I'm not sure about THAT - but I am amused that on a BBS where so many people are rooting for that future, there isn't a dedicated ARM room. ;)
Fri Jan 15 2021 11:25:33 EST from Nurb432Well, ARM is the future. Until it isn't :)
Fri Jan 15 2021 10:46:21 EST from ParanoidDelusions
I have to admit, one of the reasons I want ARM to succeed on the desktop is because I love an underdog. And although ARM is technically a proprietary architecture, it's more "open" in a multiple-suppliers sense than x86 is.
And of course, the whole world *should* have been RISC by now; it's only because of the chance selection of the 8088 by IBM forty years ago that Intel became the goliath it is today.
All true.
Hurricanes from butterfly wings.
Sat Jan 16 2021 16:11:06 EST from IGnatius T FoobarI think we're fine with keeping it here. Remember that there are busy and not-so-busy seasons on a BBS.
I have to admit, one of the reasons I want ARM to succeed on the desktop is because I love an underdog. And although ARM is technically a proprietary architecture, it's more "open" in a multiple-suppliers sense than x86 is.
And of course, the whole world *should* have been RISC by now; it's only because of the chance selection of the 8088 by IBM forty years ago that Intel became the goliath it is today.
My understanding is x86 IS RISC under the hood. Has been a while, but it emulates, in effect. the old style CISC.
Funny that ARM is considered an underdog, there are more ARM chips out there than anything else now ( mobile ) and they have been around almost as long as x86. ( i think late 80s compared to early 80s for intel ). I kjnow its a different market now they are fighting, servers and desktops, but just seems funny to me. Sort of the hare/turtle race.
Some of my fondness is being an EE i like the better architecture, but i have also grown to dislike intel over the years. Sure, part of their problem has been maintaining a level of backwards compatibility over the decades, which makes it hard, but it goes beyond that, i dont trust them any more.( vpro anyone? ) Back when i DID trust them they had a few alternative architectures that were great, but didn't keep around long. One of them was the ( you will like this ) was the i432. Ya, where 1/2 my name comes from. Was far superior and forward thinking than x86 but silicon of the day wasn't up to the challenge.
And of course they had the i960 which was true RISC.. but fell out of favor due to the bread and butter x86. Or even strongarm.. licensed ARM architecture..
And while it has a long way to go, i hope RISC-V makes it. While i can see vendors mucking with the ISA and making those pieces proprietary, I hope the market avoids those vendors and keeps it 100% open.
Early DEC processors where you had external microcode.. wonderful stuff.
Sat Jan 16 2021 16:11:06 EST from IGnatius T FoobarI think we're fine with keeping it here. Remember that there are busy and not-so-busy seasons on a BBS.
I have to admit, one of the reasons I want ARM to succeed on the desktop is because I love an underdog. And although ARM is technically a proprietary architecture, it's more "open" in a multiple-suppliers sense than x86 is.
And of course, the whole world *should* have been RISC by now; it's only because of the chance selection of the 8088 by IBM forty years ago that Intel became the goliath it is today.
I recall hearing this too at some point about modern Intel x64 being RISC. I don't remember details though. For a long time I understood all of the generations but since IA64, it has gotten really difficult to keep track of.
Sun Jan 17 2021 07:36:48 EST from Nurb432My understanding is x86 IS RISC under the hood. Has been a while, but it emulates, in effect. the old style CISC.
Funny that ARM is considered an underdog, there are more ARM chips out there than anything else now ( mobile ) and they have been around almost as long as x86. ( i think late 80s compared to early 80s for intel ). I kjnow its a different market now they are fighting, servers and desktops, but just seems funny to me. Sort of the hare/turtle race.
Some of my fondness is being an EE i like the better architecture, but i have also grown to dislike intel over the years. Sure, part of their problem has been maintaining a level of backwards compatibility over the decades, which makes it hard, but it goes beyond that, i dont trust them any more.( vpro anyone? ) Back when i DID trust them they had a few alternative architectures that were great, but didn't keep around long. One of them was the ( you will like this ) was the i432. Ya, where 1/2 my name comes from. Was far superior and forward thinking than x86 but silicon of the day wasn't up to the challenge.
And of course they had the i960 which was true RISC.. but fell out of favor due to the bread and butter x86. Or even strongarm.. licensed ARM architecture..
And while it has a long way to go, i hope RISC-V makes it. While i can see vendors mucking with the ISA and making those pieces proprietary, I hope the market avoids those vendors and keeps it 100% open.
Early DEC processors where you had external microcode.. wonderful stuff.
Sat Jan 16 2021 16:11:06 EST from IGnatius T FoobarI think we're fine with keeping it here. Remember that there are busy and not-so-busy seasons on a BBS.
I have to admit, one of the reasons I want ARM to succeed on the desktop is because I love an underdog. And although ARM is technically a proprietary architecture, it's more "open" in a multiple-suppliers sense than x86 is.
And of course, the whole world *should* have been RISC by now; it's only because of the chance selection of the 8088 by IBM forty years ago that Intel became the goliath it is today.
Well, might explain the problems i was having about that time. On services that have ran fine for over a year. Suddenly inaccessible ( or intermittent ). But worked fine locally.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/kualce/all_v3_onion_addresses_down_after_attack_on_the/
I recall hearing this too at some point about modern Intel x64 being RISC. I don't remember details though. For a long time I understood all of the generations but since IA64, it has gotten really difficult to keep track of.
Well, yes and no.
x86 CPUs do have patchable microcode layers on them, which are used to break down complex instructions into smaller instructions. That makes the inner core a bit more "RISC-like" but in my opinion it doesn't exactly qualify as being called a true RISC architecture.
They also use patchable microcode to apply bug fixes and upgrade existing chips to be identical to newer steppings.
Uncoincidentally, mainframe CPUs have been like this for at least 40 years. We were applying microcode updates to the Waldenbooks mainframe back in the 1990s when I worked summers there.
You mentioned IA64 but I don't know anything about that ill-fated design. I know it required a special compiler so I would have to assume it had at least some RISC-like design elements.