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[#] Sat Jul 02 2022 10:40:14 EDT from zelgomer

Subject: Re: Remote storage client-side encryption recommendations?

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2022-07-01 22:46 from darknetuser <darknetuser@uncensored.citadel.org>

Subject: Re: Remote storage client-side encryption recommendations?
What do you guys use for personal off-site backup? My requirements

are

something between 50-100GB, client-side encrypted, infrequent access



(only need to update it maybe once or twice a month). I just want to



satisfy the "-1" part of the "3-2-1" rule--3 backups, 2 local on

separate media and 1 off-site. The problem is that it includes
sensitive personal information, hence I want client-side encryption.





For non system files or files that are not going to change during
backup, then rclone may be workable since it features client-side
encryption. You can use rclone to upload data to any standarized file

storage
service since rclone supports all the popular ones (such as
ftp, sftp, webdav or whatever have you). Maybe you may try it with the

Backbaze backup provider. I ran the numbers back in the day and they
are a bit cheaper than operating your own NAS for small business use.



This rclone looks pretty interesting. Thanks for the tip!

[#] Sat Jul 02 2022 10:43:23 EDT from zelgomer

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2022-07-02 01:02 from Nurb432 <nurb432@uncensored.citadel.org>
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Random thought. Something like ipfs might work too. 
( https://ipfs.io/ )   


I have thought of that, too, though I haven't played with ipfs so I don't feel like I understand it well enough. Part of the "life story" that I keep trying not to bring up because, ultimately, it is boring and irrelevant, is that I have a long history of trying to use Tahoe-LAFS for this purpose. darknetuser has heard some of my beefs with Tahoe-LAFS, but to summarize it, I have concluded that if your goal is really backup, then you must be able to know and control where it goes; otherwise you are just rolling the dice on whether or not it will be available when you need it.

[#] Sat Jul 02 2022 12:19:55 EDT from Nurb432

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Right, the best solution is in your grubby little hands.

But having a plan B, never hurt.

 



[#] Mon Jul 11 2022 08:34:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I have a computer at home and another at a data center and they back up to each other. Some of the backups are rotated using daily btrfs snapshots (thin clones for the win). The data center is about 12 miles from my house. I figure if anything destroys both sites it probably destroyed me as well ... and I'm ok with that.

[#] Mon Jul 11 2022 12:00:52 EDT from LadySerenaKitty

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Mon Jul 11 2022 08:34:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Remote storage client-side encryption recommendations?
I have a computer at home and another at a data center and they back up to each other. Some of the backups are rotated using daily btrfs snapshots (thin clones for the win). The data center is about 12 miles from my house. I figure if anything destroys both sites it probably destroyed me as well ... and I'm ok with that.

Alternatively, you could use tarsnap, tho I'm not sure if it's available for linux.  With ZFS, you can use the snapshot scripts and then "zfs send" to send snaps across a network (with "zfs recv" on the other end).  Alternatively, you can locally attach a remote ZFS pool and mirror them, for effortless continuous backups.



[#] Tue Jul 12 2022 04:38:16 EDT from darknetuser

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2022-07-11 12:00 from LadySerenaKitty
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Mon Jul 11 2022 08:34:28 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re:
Remote storage client-side encryption recommendations?

I have a computer at home and another at a data center and they
back up to each other. Some of the backups are rotated using daily
btrfs snapshots (thin clones for the win). The data center is about
12 miles from my house. I figure if anything destroys both sites it
probably destroyed me as well ... and I'm ok with that.







Alternatively, you could use tarsnap, tho I'm not sure if it's
available for linux.  With ZFS, you can use the snapshot scripts and
then "zfs send" to send snaps across a network (with "zfs recv" on
the other end).  Alternatively,
you can locally attach a remote ZFS
pool and mirror them, for effortless continuous backups.


I think tarsnap is available for Linux. The problem is that, last time I researched into it, the price was not great. I'd rather use Backblaze's bussiness plans with rclone if I didn't want to use my own server and speed of recovery was not critical.

[#] Sun Jul 17 2022 17:22:32 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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the other end).  Alternatively, you can locally attach a remote ZFS
pool and mirror them, for effortless continuous backups.

That sounds pretty cool, actually. And kudos to the BSD people for keeping ZFS alive even after the collapse of Sun and Solaris.

Filesystems with built in snapshot capability have been such a big blessing for backups. In the old days we had to do horrifying things like taking database replicas offline so we could back them up in a crash-consistent state, and then catch up the replica afterwards.

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