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[#] Fri Nov 13 2020 18:26:08 EST from Nurb432

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https://codeloop.org/python-how-to-make-browser-in-pyqt5-with-pyqtwebengine/

 

Too bad everything is now client side. Wasn't how the web was supposed to be. But if it was still, would be a lot easier to code safe alternatives to use.



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 21:44:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Too bad everything is now client side. Wasn't how the web was
supposed to be. But if it was still, would be a lot easier to code

It's not what Tim Berners-Lee originally envisioned. It is what Netscape envisioned. It is what Sun envisioned. Those pioneers tried to get there in one step, and were destroyed by the giants who were not ready for it. But if you compare a modern client-side web app to the original Java vision -- that is, before it failed on the client side and became the new COBOL instead -- we got there. We totally got there:

* Write once, run anywhere.
* Application code loads from the server at the moment the program is run, never saved locally.
* Upgrade the server, never push upgrades to clients.
* Printing sucks.

So ... Netscape didn't live to see the browser replace Windows as the most popular client platform, Sun didn't live to see JavaStations replace PCs as the most popular client side hardware, but their vision totally became reality.

[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 10:02:06 EST from LoanShark

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ironic that the "low tech" JavaScript ended up being the do-everything answer. Leaner and meaner than Java.

(I'm doing a lot of work with Webpack and Babel and transpilers lately... it's kinda nice to have a static that lets you use full ECMAScript 6 or 8 or whatever the latest is, with async's and modules, and yet compile it down to a bundle that your average browser can understand.)

[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 10:03:38 EST from LoanShark

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*stack, not static.

Actually probably not fair to say I'm doing "a lot" of work in that area, but it was an interesting side gig over the weekend, and this is te stack our UI team uses.

[#] Tue Nov 17 2020 15:13:08 EST from Nurb432

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I totally agree with the vision not being what it was in the beginning, and I also do not like what its (de)evolved into, but reality is we are not going back to pure web again of just simple display clients. So have to make the best of what we have.  

My example: Having source and building it yourself, helps. At least from a security standpoint. But true, you are relying on others to point out issues. I know i dont have time to read thru all that code...

Sun Nov 15 2020 21:44:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: An alternative ?
Too bad everything is now client side. Wasn't how the web was
supposed to be. But if it was still, would be a lot easier to code

It's not what Tim Berners-Lee originally envisioned. It is what Netscape envisioned. It is what Sun envisioned. Those pioneers tried to get there in one step, and were destroyed by the giants who were not ready for it. But if you compare a modern client-side web app to the original Java vision -- that is, before it failed on the client side and became the new COBOL instead -- we got there. We totally got there:

* Write once, run anywhere.
* Application code loads from the server at the moment the program is run, never saved locally.
* Upgrade the server, never push upgrades to clients.
* Printing sucks.

So ... Netscape didn't live to see the browser replace Windows as the most popular client platform, Sun didn't live to see JavaStations replace PCs as the most popular client side hardware, but their vision totally became reality.

 



[#] Tue Nov 17 2020 15:55:15 EST from Nurb432

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Wow, should not be sending posts with a migraine.

 

Short version:

Today is not what the founders envisioned..  But we are stuck. And source code helps.

 

Tue Nov 17 2020 15:13:08 EST from Nurb432 Subject: Re: An alternative ?

I totally agree with the vision not being what it was in the beginning, and I also do not like what its (de)evolved into, but reality is we are not going back to pure web again of just simple display clients. So have to make the best of what we have.  

My example: Having source and building it yourself, helps. At least from a security standpoint. But true, you are relying on others to point out issues. I know i dont have time to read thru all that code...


 


 



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