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[#] Sat Mar 18 2017 02:50:53 UTC from nonservator

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My fresh rant is opening up fresh new disturbing information...

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/lynx-dev/2017-03/msg00006.html

"We've just lost some ground over the past month, as Richard Stallman has decided that the GNU Radio Foundation, Inc. is not denying any freedoms or violating any licenses by walling off their site in CloudFlare's private ecosystem"

[#] Sat Mar 18 2017 19:12:20 UTC from jp10558

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I just did an update from easy_install - but how can I tell what version of Citadel I'm now running?



[#] Tue Mar 21 2017 12:56:06 UTC from mo

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Sat Mar 18 2017 15:12:20 EDT from jp10558 @ Uncensored Subject: Check Version?

I just did an update from easy_install - but how can I tell what version of Citadel I'm now running?



Try asking in the support room. ;)



[#] Sat Mar 25 2017 14:59:54 UTC from mo

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I'm glad you found the answer to your question :) 



[#] Thu Apr 06 2017 17:39:00 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Feature request: can we have a year view for the new webcit?

(Yes, sometimes I take this long to answer.) :)

I haven't even come close to working on the calendar rendering for WebCit-NG yet, but the short answer is:

The server engine will feed calendar data to the browser in machine-readable format (probably JSON, which is what I've been using for everything else) and then the view will be rendered by JavaScript code running in the browser.
This means that we can theoretically do whatever views we want. I think a week view is more important than a year view, but if we model it correctly, we should be able to do day, work week, full week, month, year, and agenda view from the same code.

[#] Fri Apr 07 2017 17:58:44 UTC from mo

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Thu Apr 06 2017 13:39:00 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored
Feature request: can we have a year view for the new webcit?

(Yes, sometimes I take this long to answer.) :)

I haven't even come close to working on the calendar rendering for WebCit-NG yet, but the short answer is:

The server engine will feed calendar data to the browser in machine-readable format (probably JSON, which is what I've been using for everything else) and then the view will be rendered by JavaScript code running in the browser.
This means that we can theoretically do whatever views we want. I think a week view is more important than a year view, but if we model it correctly, we should be able to do day, work week, full week, month, year, and agenda view from the same code.

That's great news! I really like having the year view, it's very helpful for for visualizing and planning ahead. I think a good web calendar is another draw for using the system; maybe 'the icing on the cake'.

:P

 



[#] Fri Apr 21 2017 13:21:47 UTC from fleeb

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Alas, no more ssh bbs@uncensored.citadel.org.  No more text client access to Uncensored.  No more joy left in the world.



[#] Fri Apr 21 2017 13:30:06 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Wait, what? I'm on it now?

[#] Fri Apr 21 2017 14:15:42 UTC from fleeb

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Hmm...

When I tried ssh bbs@uncensored.citadel.org from home, it could not resolve the DNS.

Earlier when I tried it at work, it could not resolve the DNS.

But, oddly, now it is.

I shall resume my dramatic exposition at a time when the situation is more real.



[#] Fri Apr 21 2017 15:49:15 UTC from zooer

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I have been using "citadel uncensored.citadel.org" after I connect it
asks for my username. If I tried

$citadel bbs@uncensored.citadel.org
Attaching to server...
Can't connect: No such file or directory

[#] Fri Apr 21 2017 16:27:11 UTC from Ragnar Danneskjold

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I'm ssh'd in right now.

[#] Mon Apr 24 2017 23:31:44 UTC from zooer

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*** You have a new private message in Mail>

I went to mail and there was not a private message. LIES LIES LIES.

[#] Wed Apr 26 2017 02:55:58 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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$citadel bbs@uncensored.citadel.org
Attaching to server...
Can't connect: No such file or directory

That'll never work. The client wants a host name or IP address, and an optional port number. If you prefix it with "bbs@" it will just consider that part of the host name.

[#] Wed Apr 26 2017 14:14:37 UTC from zooer

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I see, I was confusing the SSH login with the text client login.



[#] Thu May 18 2017 20:39:59 UTC from kinetix

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Howdy! I just found something interesting in the text client that doesn't seem to match with the documentation online. At some point all the help accessed via H or .H has been hard coded in to the client? The help directory still exists in the citadel installation, but it doesn't appear it's being utilized any longer (perhaps why it's empty now).

I'm curious about that design decision and how one should supply their own help files to clients... is it possible any longer or does everything have to be hard-coded in and then compiled in to the client?

[#] Sun May 21 2017 03:23:26 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Not too long ago, the client help files were moved "into" the client.  This was done because they were being loaded from the server, and it isn't the server's role to provide client infrastructure.

Honestly though, I didn't think anyone cared.  I guess I was wrong.  What are your customization needs and how can we make it work better for you?



[#] Sun May 21 2017 20:25:36 UTC from kinetix

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Well, here's the path that I walked in the text client.  Hitting H brings up the main basic help menu.  At the end of it, it says to "USE .<H>elp ?  or ..<H>elp SUMMARY for additional help.  

Hitting either of those produces errors - .H? says '?' not found, enter one of the built-in list, and .HSUMMARY is similar, as it no longer exists.

And then even in the list produced from help.h, which includes admin, floors, intro, mail, network, policy and software, policy says "this new user policy resides in ./messages/newuser", and there should be one more option in help.h, probably "summary", as I think that's what's coded at the bottom of help.h - the full list of commands.

Having all of those built-in options working or fleshed out would be great, but I wonder if there would be an easy way to get back the full customizability (whether the help was stored in the DB or flat files) where the sysop could extend the help system out however they liked.

Anyhow, it came to light for me as I was looking to see what a new user who wasn't familiar with Citadel might encounter if coming from the text client perspective.

 



[#] Mon May 22 2017 21:37:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Right. That makes sense. Most of the "?" menus (for example, <.><R>ead <?> and others) are auto-generated now, since the command set is configurable and it just reads the configuration. The text files are a different story.

This is kind of in transition right now. I am trying to get 100% of the server state into the database, no separate directories containing any other information. Part of that effort, of course, requires removing anything that doesn't have to do with the server. That means anything the client needs, has to be carried around with the client. This isn't a problem, we just need to figure out the right way to do it.

[#] Tue May 23 2017 00:00:53 UTC from kinetix

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Since the text client is it's own separate application now, would it make any sense to have the help files put back in to actual files, installed in to whatever the admin's/distro's configurable --datadir would be? I may only be viewing things in an overly simplified fashion, however.

[#] Wed May 31 2017 15:09:53 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yes, that would make sense, at some point ... or maybe make it configurable using a directive in citadel.rc

I've still got to get the server cleaned up though

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