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[#] Thu Jul 03 2014 14:04:43 EDT from fleeb

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I took a symbolic logic course in college, and a philosophy major was desparately trying to pass it so she could get her degree. She had already gone through it twice and failed, this being her third time.

I think she failed it again.

But I sorta gave her a pass... I figured the hard part for her was in mapping what she already did reasonably well (logic) to the various symbols required to work with logic as one might work with a math problem. She never really got that.

But this... this thing that the instructor here teaches isn't trying to deal with abstracting thinking away to variables to manipulate. She's just tring to help teach how to think critically.

So... yikes?

[#] Mon Jul 07 2014 11:40:29 EDT from zooer

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Egg Salad sandwich.

[#] Mon Jul 07 2014 12:31:09 EDT from vince-q

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Brain Salad Surgery...

[#] Mon Jul 07 2014 12:49:10 EDT from fleeb

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Sugary Brain Salad.

[#] Mon Jul 07 2014 14:12:07 EDT from fleeb

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What a great last name!

What if your name was Brutus Angermaier? And you wore a bow-tie?

[#] Tue Jul 08 2014 08:28:30 EDT from Ladyhawke

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And a fez.  'Cuz fez' are cool.

[#] Tue Jul 08 2014 09:47:55 EDT from fleeb

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Absolutely! Brutus Angermaier, with a bow-tie, fez, and a colorful vest.

[#] Tue Jul 08 2014 13:06:28 EDT from Shazam

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Fleeb, I disagree. Nowadays there are a small percentage of children that have to be taught to make eye contact, wait until the person speaking finishes, and give an answer that in some way relates to what the other person said. That is something most people just get. Some need to be taught. The fact that they CAN be taught, then continue on in life blending in with most everyone else who just got it is great for everybody.
So the same with logical thinking. Ideally, all people would just get it. But since some don't, it's brilliant that someone figured out how to teach it.

[#] Tue Jul 08 2014 13:14:08 EDT from fleeb

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I get it when it comes to a child. Children should learn to think critically, as they may not quite have the tools yet.

When you become an adult, though... it's scary. And this lady teaches adults, not children.

I dunno how well she teaches it, and how many people fail to get it, though.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2014 14:57:34 EDT from Shazam

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Yeah... but adults are really just children who lived long enough to become bigger. If a person didn't learn the tools to think critically and that person is still small, it's easy to understand, but if that person never learned to think and lived and grew big, and they still don't know how to think, better to find someone who can teach them than not.
Now, if someone could teach me proper sentence structure, wouldn't we all be better off?
But seriously, rather than focus on how sad it is that people need to be taught, rejoice in the fact that people who need to be taught ARE being taught. That's a win-win situation there.

[#] Wed Jul 09 2014 15:26:32 EDT from fleeb

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Well, maybe if it were the general population I might feel better about it, but she isn't doing this for altruistic reasons. Money and all that.

[#] Sat Jul 12 2014 19:26:58 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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People who say "children should be seen and not heard" should be neither seen nor heard.

[#] Sun Jul 13 2014 19:11:47 EDT from dothebart

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well, if it doesn't have to be heard all the time - yea I'm with you.

next to my old office (till the end of month) there are 4 kids, and one of them is crying - so round about if the weather is good from 9 o'clock in the morning till 19 o'clock in the evening one (or more) of them is crying or shouting.

One of the things i'm not gonna miss about this job.

[#] Sun Jul 13 2014 19:47:31 EDT from Ladyhawke

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Afraid I have to agree with Bart on this one.

I love children and strongly believe that a large part of childhood is/should be running, playing, and making noise (not shutting up and sitting still 15hrs a day!).  And in general, I personally think our society doesn't support that enough.

That said, there really are *also* times when either they need to be able to control themselves - or being as they *are* children, should simply not be present.

For example, last night I attended Planet of the Apes in a movie theatre.  A couple of parents brought their two 3-4 year olds and an infant (maybe...a year old?).  They spent the entire movie yelling, giggling, crying, and shouting.  Not only did that annoy an entire theatre of people who had each paid a fee to watch a movie unmolested - but I don't think being in such a loud, violent film was so good for the kids, either.  In Bart's case, he is in a workplace.

There are simply certain situations where a child's right to be a child needs to be balanced with the "other people's" right/requirement to not be disturbed by other people's children's misbehavior.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 09:29:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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is/should be running, playing, and making noise (not shutting up and
sitting still 15hrs a day!).  And in general, I personally think our
society doesn't support that enough.

Well, right now we live in a society which believes that a child who does not sit down and shut up 15 hours per day is "ADHD" and needs to be medicated.

Drugging children who behave like children is an abomination and the people responsible should be summarily executed.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 09:32:36 EDT from fleeb

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Not a lot of people survive in IG's utopia. Heh.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 09:52:48 EDT from wizard of aahz

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The term is "Time and Place." Most of the time and in most places kids should be kids.. But they should also know when those two things meet up, there are occasional times and places where they should be under control.. Or parents shouldn't be idiots. SOrry, but bringing 3-4 year olds and infants to Planet of the Apes? Not cool.

Similar to knowing when the kids have been good at dinner and it's been long enough and time to call it a night. Any parent who "won't let their kids ruin their night out" deserves to be first up against the wall.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 10:03:32 EDT from fleeb

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Since such children are probably going to be scarred anyway for having such inappropriate experiences, perhaps one should highlight the inappropriateness of bringing the children along to such things by having sex in front of them.

Gay sex.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 14:11:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I think the schools are pretty much handling that already.

[#] Mon Jul 14 2014 14:29:44 EDT from fleeb

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Well, some people have been wondering for a while if schools are an appropriate place for thier children.

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