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[#] Tue Jan 10 2012 16:39:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Ok then let's try it this way: *what* are you searching for?

[#] Tue Jan 10 2012 16:46:33 EST from Nite*Star

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slightly more informative answer to people. Those smart people tend to

stay around here for a while and become part of the community.

Rules #1-4, notwithstanding... ;-P

[#] Tue Jan 10 2012 16:47:08 EST from Nite*Star

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Jan 10 2012 4:39pm from IGnatius T Foobar
Ok then let's try it this way: *what* are you searching for?

I think he's looking for a general search feature for the site, of which (IIRC, although I don't use the WebDev interface as you all well know) there isn't any.

[#] Tue Jan 10 2012 19:32:13 EST from chrisleonard

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Tue Jan 10 2012 16:39:23 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Ok then let's try it this way: *what* are you searching for?

I want to search for posts about problems deploying Citadel on Ubuntu i686 related to Berkeley DB.



[#] Tue Jan 10 2012 19:33:03 EST from chrisleonard

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Tue Jan 10 2012 16:47:08 EST from Nite*Star
Jan 10 2012 4:39pm from IGnatius T Foobar
Ok then let's try it this way: *what* are you searching for?

I think he's looking for a general search feature for the site, of which (IIRC, although I don't use the WebDev interface as you all well know) there isn't any.

And yes, was hoping to find a general search feature for the site.  Nite*Star = mind reader!



[#] Wed Jan 11 2012 10:23:20 EST from chrisleonard

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So I resorted to just using Google to search using the site:uncensored.citadel.org and found some posts, but no solutions.  I came up with a solution myself, which I will post in the Citadel support room (now that I know that exists). 

By the way, I'm new to citadel, having just chosen it as a way to show a groupware option to the high school cyberdefense team that I coach.  Interesting product - the kids really enjoyed it after we had it running. 



[#] Wed Jan 11 2012 11:19:57 EST from fleeb

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Cool!

And especially cool that you've stuck around after we kinda made fun of you.

I don't know how it works precisely, but I think for a site-wide search to be enabled, the indexing needs to be turned on. Where you find that option, I'm not sure. But, I suppose, further answers to this kind of question probably belongs in Citadel Support, where hopefully you'll find more authoritative answers than the silliness I could provide.

[#] Wed Jan 11 2012 13:52:03 EST from Nite*Star

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And yes, was hoping to find a general search feature for the site. 
Nite*Star = mind reader!

Not quite, just one of those old fuddy duddies whose stuck around this festering pool of intellectual snarkiness almost since its inception and is quite good at interpreting newbie's concerns versus the sysop's uber-snark. ;-b

[#] Wed Jan 11 2012 13:53:18 EST from Nite*Star

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I don't know how it works precisely, but I think for a site-wide
search to be enabled, the indexing needs to be turned on. Where you
find that option, I'm not sure. But, I suppose, further answers to
this kind of question probably belongs in Citadel Support, where
hopefully you'll find more authoritative answers than the silliness I

could provide.

All well and good for the system he's set up, fleebybaby but methinks the coach is looking for a way to search through UCG's messages. ;)

[#] Wed Jan 11 2012 14:46:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Really what I wanted to know was whether he was visiting Uncensored in general and looking around for something, or whether he was really looking to search the Citadel Support room.

My patience with Citadel support requests posted to the Lobby has reached absolute zero.

On the other hand, a site-wide search is something I would like to be able to offer. It's definitely a possibility since our index is, in fact, site-wide.
It's just a matter of writing a good user interface for it -- one that can show a list of things found in various rooms, made more complicated by the fact that you'd have to render things like calendar items, contacts, wiki articles, blog posts, etc. all together on one page.

[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 10:45:20 EST from chrisleonard

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Wed Jan 11 2012 14:46:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
Really what I wanted to know was whether he was visiting Uncensored in general and looking around for something, or whether he was really looking to search the Citadel Support room.

My patience with Citadel support requests posted to the Lobby has reached absolute zero.

On the other hand, a site-wide search is something I would like to be able to offer. It's definitely a possibility since our index is, in fact, site-wide.
It's just a matter of writing a good user interface for it -- one that can show a list of things found in various rooms, made more complicated by the fact that you'd have to render things like calendar items, contacts, wiki articles, blog posts, etc. all together on one page.

In my defense, a Lobby is a natural starting point, and without a site-wide search (which would make it obvious where the support stuff *really* was) you are relying on my old, slightly dyslexic eyes to find the support room.  And ... that failed at first.  So yes, an interface for searching the index would be great.  Google search is adequate, but you could probably offer more citadel-specific value by writing a citadel-specific interface.

Put another way, to a n00b, there's no difference between a site-wide search or a more specific search, as we probably have no idea where to look for the specific stuff to begin with.

By the way, I liked that someone referred to me as The Coach.  If I stick around here, I might have to change my login name to that.



[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 11:52:40 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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It's ok, I was actually thinking of someone else when I said that. You were courteous enough to simply ask for help navigating the system, and you correctly pointed out a place where we could improve it.

Occasionally we get people who carelessly post demands for help with their Citadel installations in the first place they land, without bothering to look for the proper place first. These are usually the same people who ask stupid questions that are clearly answered in the documentation.

Then again, this is the board where we genuinely and sincerely welcome new members by telling them to die in a car fire. So let me be the first to say, welcome to Uncensored; please die in a car fire! (Yeah, we're somewhat bizarre in that sense. If you like that kind of thing then you're in good company.)

[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 14:41:48 EST from Ford II

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Aren't the rooms public now? Can't you just point the google at it?
It'll even cache old messages for you no?

[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 16:11:48 EST from z

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Apparently, this account as a REALLY simple password, which I discovered by accident.



[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 16:22:15 EST from fleeb

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Heh... 'z'?

[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 19:22:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Of course, since anyone can create an account, this is not a big deal. (On the other hand ... at one time in the past we had a banned user use a "poorly passworded account" as an excuse to legitimize coming back and raising hell again.)

[#] Thu Jan 12 2012 20:09:17 EST from zooer

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I was the one who stumbled over it.  I messed up logging in, somehow only hitting the "Z" and then the easy password.  (no it isn't  "ooer", it is much easier) 

Of course the old citadel86 days of just entering the password always made me chuckle, especially when it said, "That password is already in use"



[#] Fri Jan 13 2012 03:05:34 EST from Nite*Star

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Yes, Google search has a nice little box (for which they provide the code) one can place on their web site to search their site. Of course, that would only help the web folks, and not those of us who log in via SSH or telnet....

[#] Fri Jan 13 2012 11:39:16 EST from the8088er

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Of course the old citadel86 days of just entering the password always
made me chuckle, especially when it said, "That password is already

YOou have entered an incorrect password. Please try again. The correct password is: ...

[#] Fri Jan 13 2012 11:47:44 EST from fleeb

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"Eh, good enough. Welcome to..."

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