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[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 09:19:23 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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And sometimes being conservative means supporting the Government stepping in when businesses aren't making the best conservative decisions. 

It almost always makes the thing *worse* when it happens. 

I get this all the time, where I suggest, "If Verizon doesn't get their shit together and let market forces control their decisions, then perhaps the Federal Government does need to pass policies." 

Not because I think the policies will work - but because the policies will generally hurt consumers, hurt the business, hurt the industry - and at the very least, that will serve as a warning to OTHER industries engaging in similar behavior to modify what they're doing before the Government comes in and modifies it for them. 




[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 09:24:26 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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So, I set up the Trump Reddit RSS feed for my Citadel... 

And I keep seeing things like "Michigan and Pennsylvania near flipping for Trump." 

And, "Trump wins important foundation lawsuit throwing out votes in Pennsylvania..." 


Then the MSM news seems to offer a completely different perspective - that all his legal actions are being thrown out. 

I've been busy, and actually don't even know where to begin researching this... 

But I don't know which side to believe. Are Trump's legal actions generally succeeding, failing, or something in between? 

It is like all the QAnon stuff where some of their stuff proved real accurate, but you had to separate it from the outrageous claims that never materialized, and it has become far more difficult in telling the outrageous claims from the reasonable ones, in 2020. 

Anyone know what is ACTUALLY going on? Is Trump going to steal the election in overtime? If so, any of you live on very rural, defensible plots of property and have you considered making it a fortified compound? At least, temporarily? 

 

 



[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 11:30:33 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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But I don't know which side to believe. Are Trump's legal actions
generally succeeding, failing, or something in between? 

Everyone is just guessing. Some are guessing in both directions at the same time. This morning, Scott Adams said that fraud will be found but it won't be enough to flip the results, then a few minutes later he said the "slaughter meter" (his indication of Trump winning if nothing else changes) is at 96 percent.

Regarding "what is a conservative" ... I think a *true* conservative is almost indistinguishable from a *true* libertarian. The reason they're perceived as different is because both concepts have been bastardized quite a bit. Look at the "libertarian party" for example. They started out, more or less, as quasi-anarchists, but ended up as leftists who also want legalized drugs.
The popular perception of "conservative" has taken even more turns. The people guarding the term most closely right now are the ones who promote small government and individual liberty. That wasn't the case 30 years ago, when you had the religious right aligned with RINOs like Bush and Bush masquerading as Christians and they were pushing "family values". So these things seem to be malleable, they change with the times, which is obscene but it happens.

Both of the big parties are splintering between their center- and far- left or right factions. Probably the best thing that could happen would be for those splinters to turn into full splits.

[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 13:26:56 EST from Nurb432

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Personally, i dont see how one steals it when it was rightfully yours. Sort of like a "taking my bike back when the scumbag down the street broke into my garage and ran off with it" type of event.   

Most rural people i know ( Midwest US ) are preparing for the worst.  Better prepare and not need it, then need it and not be prepared.  Even in suburbia around here, people are planning for a really dark winter.

 

Sat Nov 14 2020 09:24:26 EST from ParanoidDelusions

*snip*

But I don't know which side to believe. Are Trump's legal actions generally succeeding, failing, or something in between? 

*snip*

Anyone know what is ACTUALLY going on? Is Trump going to steal the election in overtime? If so, any of you live on very rural, defensible plots of property and have you considered making it a fortified compound? At least, temporarily? 

 

 



 



[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 14:21:16 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Sat Nov 14 2020 13:26:56 ESTfrom Nurb432

Personally, i dont see how one steals it when it was rightfully yours. Sort of like a "taking my bike back when the scumbag down the street broke into my garage and ran off with it" type of event.   

Most rural people i know ( Midwest US ) are preparing for the worst.  Better prepare and not need it, then need it and not be prepared.  Even in suburbia around here, people are planning for a really dark winter.

 I'm using it more in the term of a sporting championship, which is more or less how this is being played. "It looked like a cinderella story, with the underdog about to win in the final seconds of the game - but, unsurprisingly, the opposing team stole their apparent victory at the last minute, snatching it from their hands even as they were already celebrating their win." 

I think most people in the suburbs who lean right, hell, most people on either side, really - have been preparing for the worst too. 

The cities will be a bloodbath if that happens. Glad I live very far away in well protected suburbs with well funded police who are loved by the public they serve. Not that I'm counting on their support to ensure my safety. But they're probably a reliable buffer between any chaos and my family. 

The AntiFa types were evidently starting to caravan out of Phoenix into the suburbs when Ducey did that mandatory curfew. It resulted in police at all major inroads into the suburbs, and if you were a bunch of young people with blue hair wearing black clothes in a white panel van, you got turned away unless you could prove you held residence in the area you were heading into. Lots of Republicans complained about that mandatory curfew period... I was like... "maybe there is more to this than face value." 

I don't see it as a violation of constitutional rights to say, "the only reason you are headed into this area is to cause trouble, so, no... you're not allowed to enter." I don't have any direct evidence this happened - but it makes a certain kind of sense. Curfews were a nice way to crack down on unrest while blaming it on Covid and putting Democrats in a position where any position they took would have contradicted themselves. 




[#] Sat Nov 14 2020 14:24:57 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Sat Nov 14 2020 11:30:33 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
But I don't know which side to believe. Are Trump's legal actions
generally succeeding, failing, or something in between? 

Everyone is just guessing. Some are guessing in both directions at the same time. This morning, Scott Adams said that fraud will be found but it won't be enough to flip the results, then a few minutes later he said the "slaughter meter" (his indication of Trump winning if nothing else changes) is at 96 percent.

Regarding "what is a conservative" ... I think a *true* conservative is almost indistinguishable from a *true* libertarian. The reason they're perceived as different is because both concepts have been bastardized quite a bit. Look at the "libertarian party" for example. They started out, more or less, as quasi-anarchists, but ended up as leftists who also want legalized drugs.
The popular perception of "conservative" has taken even more turns. The people guarding the term most closely right now are the ones who promote small government and individual liberty. That wasn't the case 30 years ago, when you had the religious right aligned with RINOs like Bush and Bush masquerading as Christians and they were pushing "family values". So these things seem to be malleable, they change with the times, which is obscene but it happens.

Both of the big parties are splintering between their center- and far- left or right factions. Probably the best thing that could happen would be for those splinters to turn into full splits.

Well, I stopped calling myself a Libertarian because evidently if you support police and are not an anarchist absolutist, you're a bootlicker these days. Whenever a group starts using in-group language to identify themselves as part of that cult of thought or personality, I tend to check out. I didn't like when Republicans were calling Leftists libtards, I don't like it when Democrats call Republicans Repuglicans and it seems equally as cult-like when Libertarians call anyone they disagree with a boot licker. 

I want the least restrictive government possible - but I believe even in anarchy, a social order with leaders will naturally arise. 

It would be interesting if the center breaks into a 3rd party of moderates. It doesn't seem impossible, at this point, to imagine. 



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 08:53:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Not sure if this belongs here or in Outrage of the Week!!!!1!

https://www.reddit.com/r/donaldtrump/comments/juk95f/truly_evil_even_going_after_little_kids_blm_and/

Mostly white liberals attacking a mixed-race family including children, because the parents are Trump supporters. 

Biden's America. 




[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 15:15:13 EST from Nurb432

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The 'lefts' America. 

Sun Nov 15 2020 08:53:48 EST from ParanoidDelusions

Not sure if this belongs here or in Outrage of the Week!!!!1!

https://www.reddit.com/r/donaldtrump/comments/juk95f/truly_evil_even_going_after_little_kids_blm_and/

Mostly white liberals attacking a mixed-race family including children, because the parents are Trump supporters. 

Biden's America. 




 



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 16:31:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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It isn't enough to address individual issues, or on the outcome of one election every two or four years. All we can do with that is slow down the inevitable decline. If we want America to take back America, we must destroy the left where they live. Every institution that is infected by the democrat/corporate/media/academia/China establishment must be either repatriated or destroyed. Leftism is a cancer and we're in stage 3. The cure will not be pleasant.

[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 16:43:45 EST from Nurb432

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Starting with the current educational system. Which is breeding the next generation of leftist. ( has been for a while now its part of the long-game for them )

Sun Nov 15 2020 16:31:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
It isn't enough to address individual issues, or on the outcome of one election every two or four years. All we can do with that is slow down the inevitable decline. If we want America to take back America, we must destroy the left where they live. Every institution that is infected by the democrat/corporate/media/academia/China establishment must be either repatriated or destroyed. Leftism is a cancer and we're in stage 3. The cure will not be pleasant.

 



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 16:50:08 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Sun Nov 15 2020 16:31:27 EST from IGnatius T Foobar
It isn't enough to address individual issues, or on the outcome of one election every two or four years. All we can do with that is slow down the inevitable decline. If we want America to take back America, we must destroy the left where they live. Every institution that is infected by the democrat/corporate/media/academia/China establishment must be either repatriated or destroyed. Leftism is a cancer and we're in stage 3. The cure will not be pleasant.

Unfortunately, I do not disagree with you. I was saying more or less the same thing to my wife last night. 

The problem is, most more moderate people think that this can be resolved with reason and debate and through the Democrat process. 

But if it is as far gone as we believe - even if somehow Trump pulls a win out of the legal process - I think we're headed toward inevitable conflict and bloodshed. 

To me the question is if the bloodshed will happen when people like us are rounded up in the middle of the night by overwhelming odds and shipped away to camps... 

Or if it will be States fighting States for the future of the nation. 

The problem with the second scenario is that an America turned on itself fighting a civil war today - is a perfect opportunity for any one of the nations that is our enemy to invade. We're far easier to fight split and fighting among ourselves than we are united and fighting together - and the truth is, one side would probably welcome China arriving as a "peace keeper," and the other side wouldn't turn their nose up at Russia showing up to protect us from hostile Asian nations. 

We could end up being a proxy war for China and Russia. 

 



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 17:17:57 EST from Ragnar Danneskjold

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The primary differnce I see between conservatives and libertarians is that libertarians believe in freedom to the point of destruction of the nation.

Immigration, drugs, prostitution, etc. etc.

[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 18:27:10 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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The problem with the second scenario is that an America turned on
itself fighting a civil war today - is a perfect opportunity for any
one of the nations that is our enemy to invade. We're far easier to

This has already happened. Joe Zedong Biden is the leader of the Chinese province called "The USA".

[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 18:32:02 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Immigration, drugs, prostitution, etc. etc.

These are all things which would be fine if it were not for the fact that they cause an unnaceptable load on other parts of the system (welfare, health care, etc.) which have *not* been libertized.

I am a fan of "pure" libertarianism -- the very hardest of drugs, the most powerful weapons, the most abominable practices between consenting adults -- they all should be legal -- but the social and material costs of these things cannot be placed upon the rest of the society. That is where libertarianism falls down: no one has a practical plan to implement it in its entirety.

Uncoincidentally, this worst case scenario is exactly where we are with health care: a fully unregulated system would be best, but even a fully socialized system would be better than the BigPharmaOcracy we have now. A pox upon the house of Obama, may he suffer and die soon.

[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 18:38:20 EST from zooer

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Thu Nov 12 2020 01:13:39 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions
I particularly like where you try and sound reasonable and impartial in one post, and in the next you sound far more like a typical Democrat. 
Just an observation. 

Okat, you said I *sound* like a democrat, not a liberal.

 

 

Fri Nov 13 2020 12:51:27 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

 So maybe it isn't the other people... maybe it is you?  

Sat Nov 14 2020 02:24:57 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

Well, I stopped calling myself a Libertarian because evidently if you support police and are not an anarchist absolutist, you're a bootlicker these days. Whenever a group starts using in-group language to identify themselves as part of that cult of thought or personality, I tend to check out. I didn't like when Republicans were calling Leftists libtards, I don't like it when Democrats call Republicans Repuglicans and it seems equally as cult-like when Libertarians call anyone they disagree with a boot licker. 

 

You apparently ran into the same problem, if you don't agree 100% you are called something you are not.  "Maybe it is you?"  nah, you had the same problem.  It doesn't matter which side, if you don't fall 100% in lock step with what is being said you must be one of the other side.



[#] Sun Nov 15 2020 23:12:08 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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Sun Nov 15 2020 18:38:20 EST from zooer
 

 

You apparently ran into the same problem, if you don't agree 100% you are called something you are not.  "Maybe it is you?"  nah, you had the same problem.  It doesn't matter which side, if you don't fall 100% in lock step with what is being said you must be one of the other side.



Well, usually I get called a "Conservative/Republican" by Libertarians. 

And occasionally I get called a liberal by a conservative where I am not in lockstep with the Right. Abortion rights, gay rights, drug legalization. 

But, generally, I sound a LOT like a Conservative/Republican - so, yeah, usually it is me. 

And - you sounded a lot like a Democrat/Liberal up there. ;) 

 



[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 08:32:11 EST from zooer

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Gnat would like this:  A friendly, open-minded, tolerant, non gender-specific person spits on Trump supports, speeds off in his car, hits a lamp post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaQ6Y765xTg&feature=youtu.be

"Filmed" in vertical vision.



[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 08:35:07 EST from zooer

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Sun Nov 15 2020 11:12:08 PM EST from ParanoidDelusions

 And - you sounded a lot like a Democrat/Liberal up there. ;) 

I don't remember what I said that makes me a liberal. Was it because I think that if Trump had a "D" after his name the left would adore him?  Was it that I think he is a man child?  I think he is a terrible face for Conservatives and the Republican Party.

 



[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 08:37:03 EST from zooer

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Mon Nov 16 2020 08:32:11 AM EST from zooer

 speeds off in his car, 

 

I am sorry, the PC police have informed me I made a serious old speak error that needs to be corrected.  The person speed off in its car.



[#] Mon Nov 16 2020 11:03:07 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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him?  Was it that I think he is a man child?  I think he is a
terrible face for Conservatives and the Republican Party.

Haven't we had this conversation before? The right leader for the time.
No one else would have been able to cut through the noise. No one else would have been able to defeat the Clinton war machine. Like it or not, there would *be* no Republican Party at this point if it were not for President Trump.
It would either be a super-minority party or it would have fallen back into the hands of the Bush crowd.

70 million redpilled conservatives now know what's actually going on, and they're not going to sit down and shut up. So instead of criticizing President Trump, be thankful that he set the stage for someone whose personality you might like better to take the reins in the future.

But it isn't going to be another Bush or Romney (may they rot in hell) or McCain (may he continue rotting in hell) or anyone from the RINO crowd, who are really just part of the political elite. No one is ever going to support those scumbags again. The RINOs and Fox News and Drudge are done.

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