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[#] Tue Mar 08 2022 15:59:56 EST from Nurb432

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You have to put everything done in the proper perspective and compare against to their true agendas, not what they claim they are. 

Tue Mar 08 2022 01:04:48 PM EST from darknetuser
I think you Americans are actually very bad at politics.

 



[#] Tue Mar 08 2022 16:50:47 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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If Biden actually cared about Ukraine, he would not do public speeches


The following people support Volodymyr Zelensky:

George Soros, Hillary Clinton, Pope Francis, Joe Biden, George Bush, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Barack Obama, Lindsay Graham, Adam Kinzinger, Eric Swalwell, Nancy Pelosi, Justin Trudeau ... just to name a few.

With support like that, I have no choice but to say: fuck Ukraine.

[#] Tue Mar 08 2022 17:35:14 EST from Nurb432

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I doubt they really support him or Ukraine in general and instead they support the profit and power that comes from pretending they do.   



[#] Wed Mar 09 2022 09:59:50 EST from zelgomer

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I'm going to preface this with an acknowledgement that I have a high degree of ignorance regarding what's going on in Ukraine and Russia. But I'm putting these thoughts out there to invite criticism and correction.



Some facts stand out to me which keep me skeptical of the Russian-apologist narrative and suspicious of anyone who continues to repeat this "we should stay out of it, it's not our problem" line. If I have any of these facts wrong please let me know because these things are difficult to get straight with all of the disinformation put out there.

1. As I said before, there is no doubt in my mind that Yanukovych was a Russian puppet. I keep seeing accusations that Zelenskyy is a Western puppet, but installing puppet governments is what the Russians do. It is also an effective tactic to always accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing.


2. Zelenskyy was only just recently elected in 2019. After Yanukovych was ousted (evacuated by spetsnaz and now living in Russia, adding to my suspicion that he was a Russian puppet all along), the first president elected under the new government was Poroshenko. It was during Poroshenko's term that Hunter Biden was investigated for fraud in his role on the Burisma board of directors until VP Joe Biden blackmailed them to fire the investigator by threatening to withhold defense aid. This is by his own admission, I'm sure everyone has seen the clip a hundred times.

3. One of Zelenskyy's core campaign issues was to root out the corruption and cronyism from the Ukrainian government. His career was as a comedian and an actor. Like Trump, he came in as a political outsider promising to drain the swamp and may be perceived to represent a populist movement. If he was installed as a puppet, he is an awfully strange choice.


4. Trump was recorded on a phone call asking Zelenskyy to reopen the Hunter Biden investigation. He was impeached for this on the basis that it was an inappropriate investigation for dirt on a political opponent. HOWEVER, recall that during the impeachment, Zelenskyy publicly supported Trump and insisted that nothing inappropriate was suggested during the call.

5. Biden takes office and within his first year Russia invades Ukraine, preceeded by weeks of the State Department warning "invasion is imminent, we won't show you evidence but we promise it's any day now!!"


Now: am I off base for thinking that it smells like there is fraud yet o be investigated in Ukraine, Poroshenko--possibly an actual Western puppet--proved that he could be blackmailed to look the other way, but Zelenskyy--an outsider--is more hard headed about it, so the Biden administration and the Western crime syndicate turn a blind eye while "the muscle" comes in to rough up his shop? After several weeks of sublty warning him and signalling Americans living in Ukraine to get out of the path? Meanwhile they change their avatars on Twitter in solidarity with #Ukraine for the virtue signalling.

This is why it bothers me a bit to see those on the right take this "well Russia warned us, we should have stayed out of it" position. I can't help but feel like it's a knee-jerk reaction to the virtue signalling from the left, yet it misses the point of what's really going on.

Or maybe I just need a few more layers of tin foil. Let me know.

[#] Wed Mar 09 2022 18:11:49 EST from Nurb432

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Its politics, everything is a scam and nothing is what it seems. Just the nature of the business, unfortunately. 

Wed Mar 09 2022 09:59:50 AM EST from zelgomer


Or maybe I just need a few more layers of tin foil. Let me know.

 



[#] Thu Mar 10 2022 09:33:42 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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If you didn't read the link, check this out: 


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cusp-economic-singularity

Some disturbing shit in there. We may wish that Trump has simply triggered a pleasant little civil war in the US before the Biden administration and Democrats are through with us. 

Evidently when they were calling him "The Next Hitler," what they meant was "another failed world ruler who set his ambitions for causing human misery and suffering too low." 

The Democrats were all, "here, hold our beer and watch this..." 



[#] Thu Mar 10 2022 10:48:12 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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I am not taking the "pro-Russian" side as a Conservative. 

I am taking the - "our involvement doesn't help the situation - and merely escalates tensions," which is the PRO-ME side of it. 

I would, without hesitation, sacrifice the entire nation of Ukraine to Russia for my personal comfort and the safety of the rest of the world.  

All the other reasoning and logic behind the "why", the "reasons", the goals and agendas in stoking this conflict all just seem to be diversions to me - and mostly diversions-as-usual, split along partisan bias and sympathies. 

We've had lots of uncertain moments in my 52 years on the planet where we were on the precipice of self annihilation. The closest society has gotten previous to this mess is probably The Bay of Pigs invasion. This is absolutely on the same level of fuckery as that. 

Russia invading Ukraine unchecked is NOT the same as allowing unchecked German aggression in Europe during the lead-up to WWII. The West exploits our early lack of involvement in WWII all the time to justify early military escalation of crisis situations internationally. The only Nation that routinely invades sovereign nations in the world is the US, backed by Western European nations. We do it across partisan lines - and we've been demonstrably wrong in the recent past. 

Saddam Hussein was not the world's next Hitler. He was a problem if you were an Iraqi dissident. Qaddaffi was not the world's next Hitler. Removing them and the Taliban created a power vacuum that allowed ISIS - which was far worse than the 3 issues we solved to fester in the Middle East. Syria to Libya looked a lot like the post apocalyptic world of Mad Max for a while there - more so than normal. Leaving the status quo in those places - not interfering with their internal and regional conflicts prematurely - would have been a far better course than the emotionally driven populist paths we took as a society. It isn't all the fault of diplomats and politicians, either. It is the fault of the citizens for buying in and going along. 

If we stayed neutral and impartial in the Ukraine and it turned out to be a long term strategic mistake for the Russian government to take the actions they did - the Russian people who were complicit in allowing their government to take that path would bear responsibility - but we would not. At this point, regardless of how this sorts out, there is global culpability in that result. We've gotten involved in the dispute of other nations, and the fallout (no pun intended) will affect all of us. 

The actions we take at the moment have far wider ranging implications than just the threat of a global conflict with Russia and the possibility of that leading to WWIII and almost certain nuclear annihilation of the world as we know it. 

Even if we manage to avoid that outcome - the ramifications of our current path may be unfathomable and society destabilizing. 


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cusp-economic-singularity

 

 



[#] Thu Mar 10 2022 16:54:04 EST from Nurb432

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WWIII doesn't have to be nuclear.  And id argue we are in it now, as a mostly economic war.



[#] Thu Mar 10 2022 17:01:31 EST from ParanoidDelusions

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We've been in a cold world war for a while, for sure. 

It is *easy* for escalation with Russia to become nuclear. Too easy. Confrontation with Russia over regional, insignificant territory disputes is an unacceptable risk. The Western response is provoking escalation instead of solutions. 

Here is the problem - if you wage an ECONOMIC war with a nuclear adversary with the capability to wipe out the world population, and they're losing that economic war - at some point, they have two options - 

accept subservience, economic and political, to the people who have crushed your economic strength. 

Or, reset the entire economy for everyone with your final response. 

When you back someone capable of inflicting incredible damage into a corner in the hopes they will submit - you better hope they don't just decide, "If I'm going down, I'm taking all of you with me." 


What does Putin's approach to life in general tell you about what he would be likely to do in that situation? 

Saddam was still talking shit as the floor literally fell out from under him. If he could have done real damage at the moment of his death - he would have. Guys like this don't just give up and go, "OK, you got me..." 

 

 

Thu Mar 10 2022 16:54:04 EST from Nurb432

WWIII doesn't have to be nuclear.  And id argue we are in it now, as a mostly economic war.



 



[#] Fri Mar 11 2022 14:07:41 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Sure. What we really NEED is for the Soviet Union to return. Hard core, obvious commies, to the point where communism once again becomes an obviously bad thing to the West, and disguising it as "socialist" or "progressive" doesn't cut it. We need Joe McCarthy lopping off heads. The fall of the Soviet Union is, ironically, the worst thing that ever happened to Western democracy.

I call for the immediate death of all leftist college professors and news anchors.

[#] Fri Mar 11 2022 15:28:07 EST from Nurb432

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Agreed, people need an agreed upon 'bad guy' to focus on. Else they begin to eat their own.

Every successful dictator in history knew this as they rose to power.



[#] Fri Mar 11 2022 16:22:07 EST from zelgomer

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2022-03-11 19:07 from IGnatius T Foobar <ajc@citadel.org>
Sure. What we really NEED is for the Soviet Union to return. Hard
core, obvious commies, to the point where communism once again becomes

an obviously bad thing to the West, and disguising it as "socialist" or

"progressive" doesn't cut it. We need Joe McCarthy lopping off heads.

The fall of the Soviet Union is, ironically, the worst thing that ever

happened to Western democracy.

I call for the immediate death of all leftist college professors and

news anchors.



Maybe, I'm not so sure. Have you ever seen that interview with Yuri Bezmenov from the 90s? I think a lot of what we're facing today is the long term fallout of KGB psyops from decades ago. He described the timeframes for phases of their ideological subversion in terms of generations.

[#] Sat Mar 12 2022 12:29:55 EST from IGnatius T Foobar

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Absolutely, without a doubt. Communists play the long game, and we've already seen the fruit of their intentional infiltration of education, media, etc.

That's why we need a merciless McCarthyist purge of leftists within our institutions.
Anyone pushing socialism or global warming or critical race theory etc. etc. should be considered communist, or communist-adjacent, and dealt with as they would have been dealt with in the 1950s.

[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 13:55:08 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I think the problem is that we thought the fall of the Soviet Union was the defeat of Communism. 

The Communists were willing to abandon the Soviet Union in order to secure the globe. 




[#] Sun Mar 13 2022 17:57:40 EDT from Nurb432

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duckduckgo just caved . now they are going to manipulate their results based on what the mob wants. 

 

https://www.republicworld.com/technology-news/apps/russia-ukraine-war-duckduckgo-to-down-rank-sites-associated-with-russian-propaganda-articleshow.html



[#] Mon Mar 14 2022 15:52:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I heard about that a few days ago. I've switched to Brave Search (complementing my Brave Browser). At work, where Brave is blocked, I've switched to Yandex, the Russian search engine. Ironic!

[#] Tue Mar 15 2022 18:49:10 EDT from Nurb432

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I thought brave was just a browser, they also have a spider/search engine?

yandex i doubt survives much longer, they cant get paid..

Mon Mar 14 2022 03:52:33 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I heard about that a few days ago. I've switched to Brave Search (complementing my Brave Browser). At work, where Brave is blocked, I've switched to Yandex, the Russian search engine. Ironic!

 



[#] Sat Mar 19 2022 17:31:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Yes, Brave has a search engine, and it's pretty decent. It's probably a composite like a lot of others are.

Interestingly ... Bing seems to be less biased than I expected it would be.
Try typing "democrats stole the 2020 election" into Bing and into Google.
Bing's first six results are about how democrats stole the 2020 election.
Google's entire first page of results minus one is false propaganda about how it wasn't stolen.

Google is broken beyond repair. And every time they feel like putting a "doodle" on their search page, honoring the gay black transgender muslim who invented liquid water or some other achievement, it's clear that their far-left social agenda is far more important to them than actually delivering a quality service.

[#] Sat Mar 19 2022 20:24:59 EDT from Nurb432

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I will have to try a few

bing and yandex came out similar

Google, yes left leaning.

 



[#] Thu Mar 24 2022 16:33:49 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Just want to have a quick word about the incompetent affirmative action hire that President Senile Potato is installing into the Supreme Court.

All it takes is one look at her RESTING BITCH FACE to come to a very clear conclusion that she's an angry far-left terrorist bitch who hates America, especially the people in America who don't look like her.

May her term on the court be as short as possible. I hope she joins RBG in hell very soon.

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