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[#] Fri Jun 28 2013 16:10:51 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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google "pragmatic libertarian" and you'll find... a couple pages, I suppose.

personally, it just boggles my mind that anybody who earns a paycheck and wants to invest it could vote LP (but there I go again with the friedman vs schumpeter routine)

[#] Sat Jun 29 2013 10:54:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Don't be a twit. I actually watched the debate, while you were just
being a cheerleader or something.

Serious point here. Go ask a group of randomly selected people who it was that said "I can see Russia from my house!" and the majority of them will say that it was the real Sarah Palin.

[#] Sat Jun 29 2013 11:47:25 EDT from Sig @ Uncensored

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True. That doesn't excuse some of the actual things she has said, however. There is good and not-so-good there. Neither as wondrous nor as dumb as she has been portrayed, but she will never get anything remotely resembling a fair shake, which is too bad.

[#] Sat Jun 29 2013 13:53:16 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I think she wasn't ready to head straight into the biggest national spotlight, which is a shame, because the leftoids knew she was the genuine article and could effect real change -- that's why they made it a major undertaking to totally destroy her before she could get anywhere.

[#] Sat Jun 29 2013 22:06:34 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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Jun 29 2013 10:54am from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
Serious point here. Go ask a group of randomly selected people who it
was that said "I can see Russia from my house!" and the majority of
them will say that it was the real Sarah Palin.


Sadly this is true. Someone I know who could wait to laugh at how stupid Palin was. I asked why she thought
Palin was stupid and she quoted that. I explained that Palin did not say that but Russia does share a border
with Alaska. She laughed and didn't believe me, so I showed her a map. Most maps have North America /Alaska on
the left side of the map and Russia is on the right. I had to explain where Russia was, and how America
purchased Alaska from Russia. She said, and I quote, "I forgot it wraped around like that." She forgot the
earth was round, incorrectly attributed a quote, and she called Palin stupid.


Jun 29 2013 1:53pm
from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd
the leftoids knew she was the
genuine article and could effect real change
-- that's why they made it
a major undertaking to totally destroy her before she could get
anywhere.


There were plenty of republcians that wanted her ruined also. She helped distroy her own image. Like Obama she
likes to use and repeat empty phrases that excite her followers.

[#] Mon Jul 01 2013 16:25:08 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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I voted Libertarian for most of my adult life, but the LP has gotten

so ridiculously nonpragmatic that when the Tea Party movement emerged


You know.. the likes of Tyler Cowen and even Scott Summmer should rightly be considered pragmatic libertarians.

But they are very out of step with the vanguardists in the LP party core.

[#] Mon Jul 01 2013 16:25:29 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Summner.

[#] Mon Jul 01 2013 16:58:42 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sting's long lost brother?

[#] Mon Jul 01 2013 18:08:44 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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Evil twin?

[#] Mon Jul 01 2013 20:01:43 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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fluffer?

[#] Wed Jul 03 2013 13:40:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, this is classy.

[ http://tinyurl.com/k4orq83 ]

Pro-infanticide commies make the chain of command abundantly clear, chanting "hail satan" in an attempt to disrupt a pro-life event.

Remember, these are the folks who claim they stand for "tolerance." Sometimes the mask slips off.

[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 06:06:39 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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First parse:

Pro-inflatable commies...

Starting to get into squeaky-pony land with that.

[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 06:08:51 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Reading the article, yeah, that's typical crap.

If they really wanted to impact them, they should have sung Amazing Grace with them, but a tritone off.

[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 06:55:15 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Fleeb is evil!

(in a good way)



[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 06:57:40 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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Not to start a fight, IG, but is there any situation in which you think abortion is ok?

I have a problem with both sides of the spectrum, because the 'pro-life' camp would get to the point of banning birth control or abortions of non-viable fetuses, while the 'pro-choice' camp doesn't see the problem with a 26-week abortion of a healthy baby...

Can't agree with either of those.

 



[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 11:35:51 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Consider the following:

1. after sexual intercourse, sperm meets egg, sperm and egg join resulting in fertilized egg.

2. at this point, the newly fertilized egg/zygote now has its own unique genome/dna which is neither that of the mother/egg or the father/sperm. In short, a unique person has been formed.

3. Item #2 is considered by most in the **scientific** community as the poiont at which a Human Life has been 'created'.

Realizing that those three exceptionally brief statements are rather void of scientific data or proof, suffice it to be said that mountains of both exist in "the literature" and for those willing to divorce this issue from religion (belief in whatever your Invisible Friend Of The Week may be) establishes a logical framework on which to base the following conclusion:

Human Life begins at conception.
"Conception" is, of course, the joining of egg and sperm to form the zygote.



It would seem, therefore, that any act of "abortion" constitutes the taking of a Human Life.

Now, you tell me. Under what condition would YOU feel morally or ethically justified in killing that human life?

Certainly not "rape." The 'zygote' bears no responsibility for that.
Certainly not "incest" for the same reason.
And absolutely not "buyers' remorse." Simply not wanting it is not a ratonale for killing it.

But yes, there is one reason. Very tricky. So lets see if any of *you* can figure out that reason. [*this* should be good!]


[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 14:19:10 EDT from triLcat @ Uncensored

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1. The Jewish faith believes that the zygote has no status whatsoever until 30 days after fertilization. 

2. The Jewish faith believes that a newborn under 30 days old does not have the same status as other people. You don't mourn in the same way if a child under 30 days dies, for example.

The reason that incest or rape could be a justified reason for abortion is not b/c there's something wrong with the fetus - it's because it could be extremely detrimental to the mother's mental health. 

In the Jewish faith, if there is an issue of the mother's health, whether mental or physical, abortion may be permitted. (if the mother will die without an abortion, Jewish law REQUIRES the abortion)

 

 

 



[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 16:00:07 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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trilcat - I find a lot of merit in what you say. And that figures! Jewish tradition is rich in philosophy, debate and logic.

If you'll pardon a bit of an excursion into a humorous and true event from my Life Back East Growing Up As A Catholic In The Jewish Neighborhood....


I once asked one of my Jewish friends (I have many) "when is it permissable to perform an abortion" the answer I got was:
Before the fetus is viable outside the womb.

Continuing the conversation, I then asked "when is the fetus considered 'viable outside the womb'?"

The answer I got for *that* one still has me rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter every time I think back to that...

THE DAY IT GETSS ITS MEDICAL SCHOOL DIPLOMA!

[#] Thu Jul 04 2013 18:54:07 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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there definitely is more than one.

but if the life of the mother is endangered, this probably is it.

 

Personaly I think one should stand the consequences of what one did.

However, I think the german solution is a good one. Its the six weeks, plus that you have to prove you did a consultancy at a qualified institution.

 



[#] Fri Jul 05 2013 04:00:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Not to start a fight, IG, but is there any situation in which you
think abortion is ok?

I have a problem with both sides of the spectrum, because the
'pro-life' camp would get to the point of banning birth control or

Bzzt. You don't get to introduce a discussion of birth control into a discussion of abortion. Not the same issue. Birth control is fine (in fact, I advocate mandatory temporary sterilization of anyone living off welfare).

No, there's no situation in which abortion is acceptable. Abortion is the premeditated murder of a baby and should *always* be treated as such.

And we can go ahead and simply dismiss rape, incest, and medically risky pregnancies. They make up such a miniscule percentage of all abortions that they aren't worth including in a discussion of the ethics of pre-natal infanticide.

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