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[#] Tue Oct 28 2014 15:02:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Establishing an AX.25 presence for Uncensored is a super idea. The only problem is ... Uncensored hasn't been run from my house since 2007.

[#] Tue Oct 28 2014 18:41:21 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Oct 28 2014 12:02pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd (Uncensored)

Establishing an AX.25 presence for Uncensored is a super idea. The

only problem is ... Uncensored hasn't been run from my house since

2007.



The only thing "required" to be at your house is the ham transceiver.

So the problem is:

1. install AX.25 on your remote linux box
2. have the "ham login shell" talk to uncensored through a separate SSH connection (hamuser@ comes to mind).
3. inbound and outbound AX.25 packets can be routed to a linux box at your house which is then connected to a packet terminal node controller (TNC) which then connects to your (2 meter) transceiver.

Configure everything on the ham stuff at *your* house and *bam* **done**.


Oh, you'll need to contact the folks at Berkeley who administer the AMPR.ORG domain and get a nodename (I'll use me as the example.... k2ne.ampr.org) and routing. The rest is handled over the internet.


Easy. You'll of course, have to configure your remote linux box for a second interface to handle the .ampr.org in/out traffic but other than that it is a lot easier than it sounds.

--K2NE

[#] Tue Oct 28 2014 20:43:34 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Yes, of course, but you were talking about it in a "prepper" context, so one would presume that in a SHTF situation, the link between my house and the data center would be offline.

[#] Wed Oct 29 2014 00:17:39 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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Oct 28 2014 5:43pm from IGnatius T Foobar @uncnsrd (Uncensored)
Yes, of course, but you were talking about it in a "prepper" context,

so one would presume that in a SHTF situation, the link between my
house and the data center would be offline.



Yes - but then you seemed enthused at putting the BBS online, which is when my emphasis shifted.

--K2NE

[#] Wed Oct 29 2014 00:21:02 EDT from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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As a point of interest, Jersey Devil Citadel (Citadel:K2NE v6.8) started handling inter-node email by "tunneling" the emails through the packet radio network, and then back to the "regular" internet. Kludgey, but it worked.

Later we did the same thing through UUCP using UUCICO, which also worked but was even kludgier.

We abandoned all that in favor of just doing it via dial-up which worked perfectly. For that era.

[#] Tue Nov 04 2014 09:58:58 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Network connections are so simple now, it's easy to forget what a remarkable feat of engineering UUCP was.

[#] Tue Nov 04 2014 10:32:06 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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People still ****use**** UUCP ????? <evil grin>

[#] Tue Nov 04 2014 16:49:25 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Seriously, it was so robust, and so reliable, that it was kind of sad to retire it when universal IP connectivity made it obsolete.

For a year or two before this site went onto the Internet full time, we were using UUCP over a demand-dialed Internet connection to pick up mail because it was (and still is) more reliable than any of the other methods available to coax SMTP into sending mail at the right time to a host that isn't always up.

Most people also don't know that we were providing free Internet mail to the entire Citadel dialup network. I made it clear that we created a node called "internet" and you could send mail to addresses like "foo%bar.com @ Internet" and it would do the right thing in both directions, but nobody paid attention because I wasn't part of the Minnesota in-crowd.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2014 00:53:23 EST from vince-q @ Cascade Lodge BBS

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So basically, IG, you did what I did when the "minnesota in crowd" thought me "unworthy" -- I made my OWN "in crowd", as did you.

Honestly, though, your last msg is the *first* I ever heard of your mail forwarding schema. Neat! Wish I'd known of it in 1987.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2014 08:46:26 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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I wish I could have tapped into all of this in 1987/88, when I was running Citadel 68k in Japan. That would have been an expensive set of phone bills, but might have been worthwhile.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2014 11:27:37 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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You wouldn't have known of it in 1987 because the site didn't even go online on dialup until 1988. And it wasn't until a few years later that the Internet mail gateway was developed.

yeesh ... "netproc" was such a beast of a program.

[#] Wed Nov 05 2014 14:32:14 EST from fleeb @ Uncensored

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Then it might have been 1988/89 when I was doing the Citadel thing in Japan... I remember logging into something out here back then with the handle 'machine'.
I couldn't make it a regular thing, but I managed to download some executables for the Citadel 68k stuff in order to actually run it.

[#] Wed Nov 12 2014 23:23:12 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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The text client works o.k. with the node program under AX.25.  A bit of hacking on line endings needs to be done, but, otherwise it works.



[#] Thu Nov 13 2014 00:12:17 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Have you actually gotten it to work over the air yet?

[#] Thu Nov 13 2014 00:42:26 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Yes, ran it for a few years.  Another ham did it better in Fortran and I gave up maintaining my version.



[#] Thu Nov 13 2014 00:43:49 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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My old crap here:

http://penguinpackets.com/~kelly/kblog/projects

I don't guarantee anything.  If it breaks, you get to keep both halves!



[#] Thu Nov 13 2014 01:03:36 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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Looks like fun. I've got a zillion ham projects going on here right now, as I'm sure you can surmise from the QSO> room. The ham/ax.25/citadel stuff would involve hardware I don't currently own (a TNC) and time I really don't have - for about six months at least.

Antennas to build... and more!
http://k2ne.net

[#] Sun Nov 16 2014 01:50:26 EST from ax25 @ Uncensored

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Vince,

Gotcha.  I know the feeling. Remodeling all of our bathrooms at home right now as well, so the ham stuff falls behind.  I don't begrudge you, or discount your posts.  I don't acknowledge all of the posts, but I do read them.  I keep them all as - "something  I  read somewhere, but know it can work" :-)

Good luck in the finding time to explore things realm.  The more time you find exploring someone else's discovery is more time for you,but sometimes leads down a bit of a rabbit hole!

 



[#] Sun Nov 16 2014 02:39:35 EST from vince-q @ Uncensored

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And therein lies most of the fun! My best learning experience to-date, in the computer realm, was back in the '80s, learning C by hacking the original Citadel CP/M code. HUGE amounts of fun and fits the "learning something new" (to me) from the work of others.

And when I started serious work on the Citadel:K2NE project I knew "going in" what was good and what was not-so... which made for much time saved.

Rabbit holes are not bad things. Sometimes you find treasure in them!

[#] Mon Nov 17 2014 15:26:12 EST from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Sounds like we had almost parallel experiences. Too bad we didn't have the means to collaborate back then.

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