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[#] Sun Apr 18 2021 12:14:11 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-04-18 09:17 from Nurb432
That would be me, if i was able to do it. I would also be giving a

lot of it away to good causes.

 

And of course the animal shelter id be running...


I am sure as heck I would not be giving a flying damn away. When society has been laughting at your successes and portraying them as failures, it deserves nothing in return. Period.

An animal shelter sounds fine, actually. The problem with those things is you need trustworthy people to help you run them.

If I had a heck of a lot of land and money I'd set a weapon factory or something,



[#] Sun Apr 18 2021 12:46:14 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Holy shit! 

That is a terrible story. I was expecting some comic adolescent misadventure with concrete. Yeah. I wouldn't want anything to do with it ever again, either! 




[#] Sun Apr 18 2021 12:50:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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And the thing with Buffett is that I bet he was still to busy most of his career to do the little old midwestern man hobbies that he would have liked to. 

I don't necessarily agree with Buffett or Gates or Zuckenberg - but I'm well aware that it is a misconception that the CEOs and captains of industry do the easy work while the laborers exchange their toil for a handful of dimes. Usually the business gives those guys the money to afford nice things, but the business owns the person. 

 

 



[#] Sun Apr 18 2021 13:16:07 EDT from Nurb432

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In most cases without the CEO, there is no company. no direction.   I have never understood people who yell 'they are not worth that much'  Sure, they are not out there on the line pounding iron beside you ( tho, many did at one point in the past ), but they are not disposable.

 

Sort of like where i work: "our customers are stupid and suck, i wish they would go away so we can get back to our job".. "um, you do realize we are only here due to them, right?"

Sun Apr 18 2021 12:50:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

And the thing with Buffett is that I bet he was still to busy most of his career to do the little old midwestern man hobbies that he would have liked to. 

I don't necessarily agree with Buffett or Gates or Zuckenberg - but I'm well aware that it is a misconception that the CEOs and captains of industry do the easy work while the laborers exchange their toil for a handful of dimes. Usually the business gives those guys the money to afford nice things, but the business owns the person. 

 

 



 



[#] Sun Apr 18 2021 20:44:43 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Yup. 100% agree. "He just sits in there and surfs all day." 

Then quit, and open competition - surely if he is asleep at the wheel, and you're the one doing all the heavy lifting at the company, you can outcompete him, right? 

And I often find that I need to center myself about the customers. Sure, they're a pain in the ass, they ask stupid questions, they're demanding and unreasonable. 

They're also the ones paying my paycheck. So... I smile and try to be helpful and patient and courteous. 


Sun Apr 18 2021 13:16:07 EDT from Nurb432

In most cases without the CEO, there is no company. no direction.   I have never understood people who yell 'they are not worth that much'  Sure, they are not out there on the line pounding iron beside you ( tho, many did at one point in the past ), but they are not disposable.

 

Sort of like where i work: "our customers are stupid and suck, i wish they would go away so we can get back to our job".. "um, you do realize we are only here due to them, right?"

Sun Apr 18 2021 12:50:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

And the thing with Buffett is that I bet he was still to busy most of his career to do the little old midwestern man hobbies that he would have liked to. 

I don't necessarily agree with Buffett or Gates or Zuckenberg - but I'm well aware that it is a misconception that the CEOs and captains of industry do the easy work while the laborers exchange their toil for a handful of dimes. Usually the business gives those guys the money to afford nice things, but the business owns the person. 

 

 



 



 



[#] Mon Apr 19 2021 10:20:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I've had the experience of seeing a company completely collapse once I exited.
Unfortunately it was a family business. :(

Thankfully, my current employer is a midwestern-owned company that is always talking about "work/life balance" -- and they MEAN it. It's built in to the culture and I have time for family and hobbies *and* I am paid well for the work I do. I couldn't ask for more, really.

[#] Mon Apr 19 2021 10:58:30 EDT from Nurb432

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I have watched more than one fall apart.   Its never pretty.

One i saw coming and got out just before it..  Perhaps the largest service org on the planet at the time.  Destroyed by the board for quick cash. Most went to jail some 10 years later for securities fraud.

While working for that company, i was stationed at a local Ford plant. Once i saw what was going on and mentioned that i may not be around much longer, they offered me a plant engineering job to stay.   Next day corporate announced 'we are cutting you loose to be an independent operation'...    Um, better not, but thanks for the offer..  and 300 people retired the next week, so they could retire under Ford rules.  ( this was also the place where we were going to lose the national ford contract, and did a bunch of leg work and saved it. all the sales guy had to do was call up to Dearborn and tell them we still wanted it.   Didn't even bother to return my call until after " ya, i should have called you back " wtf. 

Another i was just the first wave and it caught me off guard.   About a year later it was sold. Lots of friends still there.   A new CFO came in, gutted the place " look at what i saved " got a bonus the left.  The they went under.  I really liked that place, and its people, i had hoped it was forever.  His idea of cost savings was fire everyone during annual shut down, or empty the maintenance crib of parts.. 

Hell, even the division i worked for with GM back in the 80s..  long gone.

Its the one reason im in the industry i am now. it wont go away. Or if it does, we are all screwed anyway and its academic.   But i do miss automotive :(

 

 

 

Mon Apr 19 2021 10:20:25 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I've had the experience of seeing a company completely collapse once I exited.
Unfortunately it was a family business. :(

Thankfully, my current employer is a midwestern-owned company that is always talking about "work/life balance" -- and they MEAN it. It's built in to the culture and I have time for family and hobbies *and* I am paid well for the work I do. I couldn't ask for more, really.

 



[#] Mon Apr 19 2021 21:44:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I worked for a company called the Byte Brokers. I left right as CompUSA and Fry's were arriving. They didn't survive. 

I went to MCI. *shrug*

I left MCI for a company called Fulltime that was really a conglomerate of Octok3rpus, Fulltime Cluster, Checkpoint and a couple other high availability solutions. They ended up getting bought out by a company called Legato, that eventually became absorbed into EMC. 

I left them for Intel. I left Intel in 2003 - shortly after the first time in their history where they didn't recover the price of their stock after a split. They just got above water around 2017 where I could dump all my underwater stocks. 

Then I worked for a company in Ohio called Matrix Management solutions. They host EMR/EHR solutions. Or they did. NextGen EMR - a struggling bay area EMR/EHR solutions company bought them. They're no longer there. 

I seem to be the kiss of death for a company. Or at least, once I leave. 

I'm not saying it IS me... but... if I were the boss, I'd pay me whatever I asked for and put me in the basement with a red stapler and call it good - just for superstition's sake. 

 

Mon Apr 19 2021 10:58:30 EDT from Nurb432

I have watched more than one fall apart.   Its never pretty.

 



[#] Tue Apr 20 2021 07:19:39 EDT from Nurb432

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I think its just the industries we have chosen.  

Mon Apr 19 2021 21:44:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I seem to be the kiss of death for a company. Or at least, once I leave. 




 



[#] Tue Apr 20 2021 09:44:36 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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I mean... I suppose it has all been IT... 

But it was retail, telecommunications, high availability software support, Datacenter engineering, Hosted Server Management in Healthcare. 

So... it isn't the industry - it is the niche of IT in the industry that sucks. :) 

 

Tue Apr 20 2021 07:19:39 EDT from Nurb432

I think its just the industries we have chosen.  

Mon Apr 19 2021 21:44:39 EDT from ParanoidDelusions



I seem to be the kiss of death for a company. Or at least, once I leave. 




 



 



[#] Thu Apr 22 2021 15:10:46 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I seem to be the kiss of death for a company. Or at least, once I
leave. 

In my case, the company literally could not survive without me. And it was a family business, so my departure was an absolute shitshow. But I didn't have an opportunity to make it any different; my dad wouldn't listen to me when I told him that I didn't want to stay there forever, and he was genuinely surprised when I finally left.

[#] Mon Apr 26 2021 17:05:49 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-04-22 15:10 from IGnatius T Foobar
I seem to be the kiss of death for a company. Or at least, once I

leave.

In my case, the company literally could not survive without me. And

it was a family business, so my departure was an absolute shitshow.

But I didn't have an opportunity to make it any different; my dad
wouldn't listen to me when I told him that I didn't want to stay there

forever, and he was genuinely surprised when I finally left.



Man, parents can be such dickheads.

My father is a bit like that. He only hears what he wants to hear. If you tell him everything is going according to plan, he will hear you. If you tell him you are leaving with a girlfriend he frowns upon, he will hear you are splitting up with her :P

[#] Mon Apr 26 2021 18:15:53 EDT from Nurb432

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My parents were great.

I only wish dad's shop had not folded while i was in high school, as i would have taken it over perhaps 15 or 20 years ago.  But he opened a franchise, and those often fail due to the rules you have to follow. While we could have done it on or own and survived during bad economy ( early 80s ), at the time he thought it would help due to the national visibility of a brand name.  But not really, and their rules made it impossible to survive. 

They set prices, your suppliers, prevented you from branching out at all with other services..

Bad scene.  Hard lesson.

 



[#] Mon Apr 26 2021 18:16:39 EDT from Nurb432

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Oh forgot the % cut of gross they take...even if you dont make money they do....



[#] Mon Apr 26 2021 23:45:58 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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The trick is, your parents were generally as clueless as you - and you were just projecting your assurance of their credibility on them. 

Within this range there are good parents and bad parents, of course - but they're all just faking it and prone to be human. 



[#] Tue Apr 27 2021 09:14:49 EDT from Nurb432

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ya but ones who worked to find the answers, were the better parents in the spectrum.

Mon Apr 26 2021 11:45:58 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

The trick is, your parents were generally as clueless as you - and you were just projecting your assurance of their credibility on them. 

Within this range there are good parents and bad parents, of course - but they're all just faking it and prone to be human. 



 



[#] Thu Apr 29 2021 10:45:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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I know where my parents did well and where they failed. As a parent I will have a different set of wins and fails.

[#] Thu Apr 29 2021 16:24:25 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Agreed. Same here. 

 

Thu Apr 29 2021 10:45:23 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar
I know where my parents did well and where they failed. As a parent I will have a different set of wins and fails.

 



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