Please wait...
That's not the point. KDE 1.X was exactly the desktop Linux needed at exactly
the right time, and it had well-defined interfaces for almost anything you
wanted to do. It doesn't matter whether GNOME was better or worse; the point
was that Miguel single-handedly and deliberately sabotaged the one opportunity
Linux had for a single desktop UI and API's. And for that he deserves a thousand
eternities of torment.
(KDE 2.X was pretty good, too ... after that they started trending towards a more Eurotrash style of UI -- a sin that Apple is also guilty of.)
(KDE 2.X was pretty good, too ... after that they started trending towards a more Eurotrash style of UI -- a sin that Apple is also guilty of.)
I really need some more proof that Icaza was paid to start Gnome before I
extend enough credence to that idea. I think he was just naturally a jerk,
and MS saw him as an ally much later.
I just re-installed my Windoze desktop after getting hit with malware
from a bad download. First time in the 2+ years I've been running
'doze as my primary desktop OS.
...and four days later a new computer shows up at my doorstep. The timing on this was impeccable. And by impeccable I mean COMPLETELY PECCABLE!
For those who care ...
[ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/04/11/windows-10-creators-update-whats-new-in-bashwsl-windows-console/ ]
Lots of updates to the Linux subsystem in Windows 10.
It's also been revealed that the reason the console window (which runs cmd.exe and powershell) doesn't suck as much as it did for 30 years, is because they modernized it to accomodate the Linux console. So it seems that Linux is even making Windows itself better :)
Don't get me wrong, I still want Bill Gates to be fed feet-first into a wood chipper, and I still hope to (literally) piss on his grave someday. But this is a good development, and I've never been one to let my personal biases get in the way of an objective observation. It's ironic, but Microsoft now has a better unix than Apple.
[ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/04/11/windows-10-creators-update-whats-new-in-bashwsl-windows-console/ ]
Lots of updates to the Linux subsystem in Windows 10.
It's also been revealed that the reason the console window (which runs cmd.exe and powershell) doesn't suck as much as it did for 30 years, is because they modernized it to accomodate the Linux console. So it seems that Linux is even making Windows itself better :)
Don't get me wrong, I still want Bill Gates to be fed feet-first into a wood chipper, and I still hope to (literally) piss on his grave someday. But this is a good development, and I've never been one to let my personal biases get in the way of an objective observation. It's ironic, but Microsoft now has a better unix than Apple.
Apple has a real Unix - it might be the only real Unix left soon.
I'm sure it was fun talking BSD vs. System V with you back in the day.
I'm sure it was fun talking BSD vs. System V with you back in the day.
Today, Linux *is* unix. The "pedigree" hasn't been relevant for a long time.
Back when BSD vs SysV was a thing, I didn't have access to either. All I had access to was Altos machines, running Xenix. Then, as now, Microsoft had an interesting unix.
Back when BSD vs SysV was a thing, I didn't have access to either. All I had access to was Altos machines, running Xenix. Then, as now, Microsoft had an interesting unix.
Lots of updates to the Linux subsystem in Windows 10.
Yeah, I jumped on Creators Update as soon as it came out. Looks like the fixed the pagetable issue that was causing java problems. This is starting to look useful as a backup dev environment for those days that I might not bring my work Macbook home.
I'm sure it was fun talking BSD vs. System V with you back in the day.
Burn!
You forgot to mention Xenix :-)
*snfphtpht*
I used Xenix, back when I worked in Japan.
I couldn't tell it was a Microsoft product. It worked too well.
There's some interesting history here. Check this out.
[ http://tinyurl.com/k9ukmec ]
It's common knowledge that Microsoft originally intended for Xenix to become the multiuser, multitasking successor to MS-DOS. According to this article, the change away from this strategy had a lot to do with the breakup of the AT&T monopoly. After divestiture, AT&T would be able to directly sell commercial Unix licenses, and Microsoft was going to have a problem competing with them.
So was IBM, which seems to have been the genesis of the OS/2 partnership.
Imagine that. They broke up one monopoly and created another.
The last 30 years or so would have been a lot more pleasant if Xenix had become Microsoft's flagship operating system. Imagine a world where MS-DOS had gone the way of CP/M , and Windows (at least Windows as a base operating system) never existed. I suppose Linux would not have come into existence either, but FreeBSD would probably have happened either way.
Hopefully, Windows will continue along the path of VMS and eventually become "basically a unix."
Interesting; didn't think of putting those events together. How ironic, then,
that if MS had kept Xenix and developed Windows for that instead, they could
have developed Windows for that platform, and Xenix could have beat out their
competitors on that basis alone. (Well, I suppose it would have been known
as Presentation Manager, but still.)
Exactly. Microsoft was already looking to replicate the success of Excel
on their own platform instead of Apple's, and the X Window System hadn't really
taken hold yet, so "Presentation Manager" would have ended up being a lot
like the original Windows, but with a real operating system underneath. Windows
would remain strictly a user interface layer, just like X.
Can you imagine?
Microsoft would have been able to do their desktop, and compete with the big-iron unix vendors, all without inserting an obnoxious OS platform into the mix.
Can you imagine?
Microsoft would have been able to do their desktop, and compete with the big-iron unix vendors, all without inserting an obnoxious OS platform into the mix.
Here's a fun one.
[ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/09/microsoft_windows_defender_security_hole/ ]
Malware can be installed onto numerous versions of Windows, both the desktop and server versions, by exploiting a security hole in ... get this ... their malware scanner. This scanner engine is used in all of their security products, from the "endpoint protection
to the "perimeter scanner" to the "server engine" etc. etc. etc.
Simply drop the malicious code into a file, and when the scanner scans that file, the malicious code is EXECUTED with system-level administrative privileges.
Only our trusty bunch of friends at Micro$oft could bring something so "
"innovative"
[ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/09/microsoft_windows_defender_security_hole/ ]
Malware can be installed onto numerous versions of Windows, both the desktop and server versions, by exploiting a security hole in ... get this ... their malware scanner. This scanner engine is used in all of their security products, from the "endpoint protection
to the "perimeter scanner" to the "server engine" etc. etc. etc.
Simply drop the malicious code into a file, and when the scanner scans that file, the malicious code is EXECUTED with system-level administrative privileges.
Only our trusty bunch of friends at Micro$oft could bring something so "
"innovative"
Tue May 09 2017 10:21:57 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ UncensoredSimply drop the malicious code into a file, and when the scanner scans that file, the malicious code is EXECUTED with system-level administrative privileges.
Anybody read The Cuckoo's egg? GNU Emacs was capable of doing that 30 years ago, Microsoft just caught up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg
If you want to see the one hour NOVA episode about the Cuckoo's Egg, recreated by the author and people involved...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcKxaq1FTac (Good but very poor acting)
Tue May 09 2017 19:43:07 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored
Tue May 09 2017 10:21:57 AM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ UncensoredSimply drop the malicious code into a file, and when the scanner scans that file, the malicious code is EXECUTED with system-level administrative privileges.
Anybody read The Cuckoo's egg? GNU Emacs was capable of doing that 30 years ago, Microsoft just caught up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_EggIf you want to see the one hour NOVA episode about the Cuckoo's Egg, recreated by the author and people involved...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcKxaq1FTac (Good but very poor acting)
I read the Cuckoo's Egg back in the mid 90s. I also read Hacker Crackdown, which detailed more of Operation Sundown, which cracked down on BBSes.
I read the Cuckoo's Egg back in the mid 90s. I also read Hacker
Crackdown, which detailed more of Operation Sundown, which cracked
down on BBSes.
That modem tax is coming any day now ... they promised!