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[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 14:49:12 EDT from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

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I was joking....



[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 15:31:22 EDT from LoanShark

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Yup.

[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 15:55:15 EDT from ParanoidDelusions

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Yeah - this is bullshit too. Those users aren't using a PC to do these things anymore. They've all moved on to mobile devices. This graph kind of illustrates that. 


https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

If you were to replace Windows with Linux on the majority of use models where a real computer is needed - tens of millions of users would reject Linux, just like they always have, and go right back to Windows if possible, Mac OS X otherwise (assuming Windows were no longer available). 

Linux is not a good user-space platform. It sucks at it. It is too complicated. 

Chromebook basically operates in competition not with real desktop OSes, but with mobile content consumption and light productivity OSes like iOS and Android. 

If you compare Linux, OS X and Windows as the only actual real operating systems - it isn't even close. The market expanded to even LESS capable users with mobile OSes - but the share distribution among real OS platforms as a percentage of an inclusive total hasn't really changed at all. 

Chromebooks did not cannibalize much of the Windows market share, either. They had a major effect on APPLE's marketshare in the *education* niche. 

Wed Jun 30 2021 11:20:47 EDT from Nurb432

Depends.  since 90% of the world just use their browser to watch cat videos on youtube and look at Facebook.. they wont even know what OS they re using as long as it runs chrome or something. 

Wed Jun 30 2021 10:12:23 AM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Heh. If tens of millions of people are forced to try Linux. 

You'll have tens of millions of disappointed consumers. 

 



 



[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 16:26:06 EDT from Nurb432

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It does not have to be complex. And for the average person it can be less complex than windows if done right.  

Sure 1995, you had to know what you are doing and people were not as technical.  In 2021, just follow the bouncing ball in a graphical installer no worse than you get with Microsoft, and poof you have something that lets you watch your cat videos.   

If my 80 year old mother can one day say, 'why do they changing things, is there something else i can use' and when i give her Debian the next weekend she had zero problems and was happier..  Didn't even have to tell her how to use it. I put in lxde, which was close enough to win7 for her to understand the menu and task bar. Dropped a couple important icons on the desktop. Done. happy camper again.

If she was going to be into installing apps on her own, then id have done ( gag ) Ubuntu + lxde. While im not a fan personally due to ethical and political reasons out side of this topic the reality is that the snap store is easy enough to use, no worse than other app stores ( apple, Microsoft ). But she had her browser and really all she needed. Everything she wanted was a favorite in her browser that she was already used to using ( chrome ), even stuff like Netflix or google docs. I still say most people, all they need is a browser. Not all, and their needs may be different but most. 

 

Hell, even gaming is moving to cloud.. OS wont matter there much longer either. 

Wed Jun 30 2021 03:55:15 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions


Linux is not a good user-space platform. It sucks at it. It is too complicated. 

 



[#] Wed Jun 30 2021 16:28:54 EDT from Nurb432

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I agree with that, however i do think they kept MS out of the education arena. 

For those that didnt want Apple for whatever reason ( cost, lack of central manageability, whatever their reason was ), Chromebooks stepped in and pushed MS out as the 2nd option. for a variety of reasons.

Wed Jun 30 2021 03:55:15 PM EDT from ParanoidDelusions

Chromebooks did not cannibalize much of the Windows market share, either. They had a major effect on APPLE's marketshare in the *education* niche. 

 


[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 04:17:21 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-06-28 10:20 from LoanShark
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Your next step is obvious. Blacklist his sites out of your network.

No


It's "allowlist" and "denylist" now, you know ;-p




Ah, but those terms are those a gatekeeper in a powertrip would use. Deciding who is allowed and who is denied. You are a powerist and you get me offended. Now change those terms of I will gather an army of Twitter trolls and harass you into oblivion.

[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 04:23:11 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-06-29 16:59 from IGnatius T Foobar
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Your next step is obvious. Blacklist his sites out of your network.

No

point in contributing to a site owned by the enemy.

Agreed. That leaves me, however, with my original problem: I am
looking for a good site for tech news -- one that espouses neither
Redmond values nor San Francisco values. For years I was reading The

Register, but as of late their San Francisco office has become more
dominant on the site and it's intolerable.



I'd suggest printed press tbh. There are ADMIN Magazine and Linux Pro Magazine, which have sections for generic tech news and kernel development news. Or well, there are a gazillion of them.

[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 04:29:04 EDT from darknetuser

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2021-06-29 19:04 from LoanShark
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BIND still uses "master" and "slave" for DNS servers. Kudos to them


for not caving in to the 0.001% of the people who are self-appointed


language dictators.

A lot of github/gitlab projects are changing their "master" branch to

become a "main" branch. My company is one of those.

We have to be sensitive. Our consultants are mission-critical and

they're based in the DR.

We have also ditched whitelist/blacklist.

Some of this is reasonable, or not crazy unreasonable. Some of it is

not. So I have mixed feelings.

Ultimately, if somebody wants to be all offended by standard language

usage
that they fail to understand, that's on them. I posted a more
extreme example in Bottom Feeders> the other day.



The problem is not the language. The problem is that by forcing you to change the language, a political group is planting a flag in your yard and claiming "This place belongs to us."

No more, nor less. This is what language manipulation is about at this stage.


Now consider whether it would be ok for a political party to stick a notice in your house's door which reads "This House Now Belongs to $Party."

[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 07:06:06 EDT from Nurb432

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"will" it be ok.. That time is coming. Faster than any of us think.

Fri Jul 02 2021 04:29:04 AM EDT from darknetuser Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11
Now consider whether it would be ok for a political party to stick a notice in your house's door which reads "This House Now Belongs to $Party."

 



[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 12:18:18 EDT from LoanShark

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It's "allowlist" and "denylist" now, you know ;-p




Ah, but those terms are those a gatekeeper in a powertrip would use.

Deciding who is allowed and who is denied. You are a powerist and you

get me offended. Now change those terms of I will gather an army of
Twitter trolls and harass you into oblivion.

LOL

[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 12:23:20 EDT from LoanShark

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The problem is not the language. The problem is that by forcing you to

change the language, a political group is planting a flag in your

yard and claiming "This place belongs to us."

No more, nor less. This is what language manipulation is about at this

stage.

I mean, you're not wrong, I just don't care all that much. Some things are not worth fighting over.

What I do care about is: the ongoing chilling effects on free expression that are caused by the way the far-left frames the race debate. Ie claims like "there is no such thing as reverse racism" or "only structural anti-POC racism is actually racism"


As I mentioned in another post, I got into a discussion about that with a Chinese coworker a week or two ago. I must be insane to have held this discussion on the company chat server. This stuff could be used against me by a coworker who turns out to be an ideologue, even though I was completely respectful and (in my opinion) non-offensive.



I'd compare it to Soviet dissidents who felt they had to keep their mouths shut, keep their opinions to themselves, or else be ostracized or worse.

[#] Fri Jul 02 2021 15:14:18 EDT from Nurb432

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Never a good idea.  Even if you and your chat partner are 100% in agreement, you never know what 3rd party may run across it in an audit or something. 

Fri Jul 02 2021 12:23:20 PM EDT from LoanShark Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11
I must be insane to have held this discussion on the company chat server. 

 



[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 05:48:49 EDT from darknetuser

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I mean, you're not wrong, I just don't care all that much. Some things

are not worth fighting over.

What I do care about is: the ongoing chilling effects on free
expression that are caused by the way the far-left frames the race

debate. Ie claims like "there is no such thing as reverse racism" or

"only structural anti-POC racism is actually racism"


As I mentioned in another post, I got into a discussion about that

with a Chinese coworker a week or two ago. I must be insane to have

held this discussion on the company chat server. This stuff could be

used against me by a coworker who turns out to be an ideologue, even

though I was completely respectful and (in my opinion) non-offensive.




I'd compare
it to Soviet dissidents who felt they had to keep their
mouths shut, keep their opinions to themselves, or else be ostracized

or worse.



I think it is all part of the same movement.

Language manipulation is quite a strong weapon, because people does not think it _is_ a strong weapon, while it is quite useful for paving the way for worse things.

The Chinesse knew this long ago and have a fable about a politician using newspeak to identify his enemies and have them killed.

[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 10:21:47 EDT from Nurb432

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I like forth.  Down with C++

 

:)

Sun Jul 04 2021 05:48:49 AM EDT from darknetuser Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11
Language manipulation is quite a strong weapon,

 



[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 18:10:43 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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If you were to replace Windows with Linux on the majority of use
models where a real computer is needed - tens of millions of users
would reject Linux, just like they always have, and go right back to
Windows if possible, Mac OS X otherwise (assuming Windows were no
longer available). 

How much did Micro$oft pay you to say that?

[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 18:12:08 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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The problem is not the language. The problem is that by forcing you to

change the language, a political group is planting a flag in your
yard and claiming "This place belongs to us."

Yup.

I'm actually tempted to build a backup/recovery framework for Citadel *just* so I can call the sending system a "master" and the receiving system a "slave" -- JUST to piss off the woketards.

[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 18:13:33 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Language manipulation is quite a strong weapon, because people does
not think it _is_ a strong weapon, while it is quite useful for paving

the way for worse things.

"If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."
-- Orwell

[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 20:42:51 EDT from Nurb432

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lol

Sun Jul 04 2021 06:12:08 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

I'm actually tempted to build a backup/recovery framework for Citadel *just* so I can call the sending system a "master" and the receiving system a "slave" -- JUST to piss off the woketards.

 



[#] Sun Jul 04 2021 22:30:42 EDT from test2

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Id use it!

 

 

Sun Jul 04 2021 06:12:08 PM EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

I'm actually tempted to build a backup/recovery framework for Citadel *just* so I can call the sending system a "master" and the receiving system a "slave" -- JUST to piss off the woketards.

 



[#] Mon Jul 05 2021 23:44:20 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Grr.

Came back from vacation, connected my work laptop to the dock, intending to get it booted up, logged in, and ready for my first day back at work tomorrow.

About a dozen failed boots later, I'm now sitting through Windoze reinstalling itself.

Garbage of the worst kind. Complete shit from version 1 through version 11. Windoze will never not suck.

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