Im still waiting for them to say "pay up to keep using what you got, and you will get upgrades even if you dont want it as you have to be online for your stuff to work, and we will shove the update down your throat"

Not on win 10 at least. I have installed it totally off-network. Sure it bitches about 'you really want a Microsoft account' but it will do it.

Also installed the leaked win 11 with no network.  Of course its not final build by any stretch, so subject to change.

Oh. sorry. My humor sensor is still broke. Still not feeling well.

when Microsoft released 10, they made noises to the effect that it would become an "evergreen" version of Windows; the "last" version of Windows, if you will.

It's kind of funny.  They said that 10 would be the last version, but then Apple went to 11 so Microsoft went to 11 as well.  Supposedly it is a free upgrade, but I wonder if the free upgrade requires an activated license.

Oh, and this is hilarious: they knew that their webcast was failing, and they had to tell everyone to switch over to YouTube.

Do you know Perlow? He was a friend for a while - then during the height of TDS - he unfriended me because I'm a "racist". 

He still follows me on Twitter. He also told me if I ever wanted to write in the tech industry again, I needed to change my public political opinions. Robert Scoble told me the same thing, and also unfriended me - but Scoble basically had a breakdown shortly thereafter and got caught up in the MeToo thing, if I remember right. 

Perlow was a Microsoft evangelist and is a cloud proponent - and did get me killer deals on Office 365. But he left them for someone else, so that well dried up. 

Thu Jun 24 2021 17:23:18 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

You won't read this anywhere else, because I got banned from ZDnet.  Jason Perlow took his head out of Satya Nadella's ass long enough to see that I pointed out all of the bullshit he was spewing.  So until my DHCP lease changes, you'll only hear the very best information about Windows 11 here on Uncensored.

For starters, no one got to see the release video in its entirety because it kept cutting out.  Microsoft apparently can't do a webcast with a large audience reliably.  They are probably using Microsoft products and services to do the streaming.  They should have had Google do it for them.

As the subject line states, Windows 11 basically looks like they took Windows 10, made the taskbar look like the MacOS dock, brought in the material design from Ubuntu, and called it a new OS.  It is, in all respects, singularly unimpressive.  People are going to be upset when they find that the Start Menu has been moved back into the middle of the screen.

For those of you who don't use Microsoft Teams, you do now.  It's built in to the operating system and cannot be removed, because that would cause the entire operating system to fail, just like Internet Explorer and Windows 98.

Windows 11 will supposedly run Android applications.  But for some poorly explained reason, you have to get your Android apps from the Amazon app store.

That's all for now.  May Bill Gates die painfully and soon.

WIn 11 Home edition requires internet and a MS online account to install.  

Requires TPM enabled. ( that kills dual booting Linux/BSD/Whatever, right? I dont have that turned on anywhere so not sure but its what i heard ). Wonder what that means for VM systems like KVM.  ( ya i know, i can go look it up, just mind wandering for the moment )

+ of course moving the bar up for required hardware to obsolete a lot of older machines.   Gotta let Intel and AMD sell more product when what we have is more than enough.

I keep thinking in a few years i dont have to care anymore... 

That could have been what i was remembering, i just knew there were issues with it working at all, and also something unrelated to do with the keys coming from Microsoft and them being an ass about it.. And since i had no plans on doing it myself i didnt care. :) 

But i do need to look into the VM stuff for KVM. Id hate to lose that ability on my office machine. Perhaps it can pass-thru the TPM stuff. I donno.   Got some reading to do. No huge hurry tho as at the rate we move, i might be retired first.  We still have several thousand windows 7 machines and i can drag it out as long as possible, as the 4 pieces of native software i need dont die.... Crystal reports, SSMS, ciscoVPN, and fossil. 

Fri Jun 25 2021 03:16:32 PM EDT from LoanShark

In both cases I have been able to dual boot these machines just fine. Like I said, the TPM is present but I don't use it. However, for a while there was a Linux kernel bug that affected the laptop that caused kernel boot to fail if TPM is enabled. So I had it disabled for a while. Linux does have TPM support, the bug was in the TPM driver, I believe it was a temporary issue that was probably fixed; prior to the bug there were no problems.

Let me enlighten you - 

They're almost ALL assholes, and of the assholes in technology journalism, Perlow is one of the most tolerable. 

But yeah - you are absolutely *never* going to be on his favorite reader's list. Heh. :) 

Fri Jun 25 2021 11:30:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

I didn't know who Perlow was until I wandered in to ZDnet not too long ago.
He seems like a bit of an asshole to me. It's like he's a holdover from 20 years ago and the days when the big tech rags all had to bow down to Microsoft because M$ was their biggest advertiser by far and basically controlled the trade press.

So yeah, he wrote some asinine things, I called him out on it, and next thing you know I'm banned. So I'm not surprised he's a commie.

I stopped reading The Register when they started publishing a lot more out of their San Francisco office.  The moderators are apparently over there too, and they censor anything that even remotely strays from ... let's call it San Francisco values.  That's why I had wandered in to ZDnet in the first place.  I figured with the Microsoft monoculture largely over, they'd be more tolerable.

TPM was something the free world was originally concerned about because it interlocked with M$ "Trusted Computing" effort, which they introduced at the height of their monopoly.  There was legitimate suspicion that the whole thing was a plan to lock other operating systems out of the hardware.  And maybe that was their intention, but the industry changed and other things became important and it didn't turn out that way.  UEFI Secure Boot was part of that too, I think, but on a desktop computer you can turn it off when you're installing the legitimate operating system of your choice.

To be fair ... I *like* UEFI.  I just wish it would work better.  Considering how old it is at this point, the frequency with which we still have to fall back to BIOS booting is ridiculous.

ZDNet is a CBSi property - like Tech Republic. There was a huge coup at CBS back around... um... 2015, I think, maybe earlier... where basically nearly all the staff of both internal writers/editors and content contributors were canned en masse. 

Jason Heiner is kind of the chief architect of that - and he has always wanted to be part of the ZDNet editorial and writing staff. Tech Republic is basically the F2 league of the CBSi tech properties, and ZDNet is the F1. 

But the actual monoculture is being purely dedicated to the agenda of the political Left. 

Sat Jun 26 2021 11:56:17 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Windows 10 + MacOS Dock + Ubuntu material design == Windows 11

I stopped reading The Register when they started publishing a lot more out of their San Francisco office.  The moderators are apparently over there too, and they censor anything that even remotely strays from ... let's call it San Francisco values.  That's why I had wandered in to ZDnet in the first place.  I figured with the Microsoft monoculture largely over, they'd be more tolerable.

TPM was something the free world was originally concerned about because it interlocked with M$ "Trusted Computing" effort, which they introduced at the height of their monopoly.  There was legitimate suspicion that the whole thing was a plan to lock other operating systems out of the hardware.  And maybe that was their intention, but the industry changed and other things became important and it didn't turn out that way.  UEFI Secure Boot was part of that too, I think, but on a desktop computer you can turn it off when you're installing the legitimate operating system of your choice.

To be fair ... I *like* UEFI.  I just wish it would work better.  Considering how old it is at this point, the frequency with which we still have to fall back to BIOS booting is ridiculous.

I forget the model number, but other than the brick, one of the early think pad tablets was geared to sales. Came in that fancy case with its own printer.    I used to have one. I was its 2nd owner. Was a gift from a sales guy at IBM. It left with the great purge.  I did keep the drive tho. PCMCIA spinning disk. 

Dont "forget field support" ( service guys.. )  great for them too.

Mon Jun 28 2021 04:31:06 AM EDT from darknetuser

Actually, what I used tablets used the most for is for easing the work of sales agents. Sales agents can have their catalogues loaded up in their tablets, fill in customer data and place orders in the name of their customers, while working in the field.

While sales agents/field agents - and some other retail agents were the first legitimate use of tablets... 

It was always a niche segment. It is kind of like VR in that it seems like it has so many potential killer applications and scenarios... 

But getting it to really work in those - the real world application is often less thrilling than the conceptual application.