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[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 10:31:06 EDT from DavidStevenRoberts

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Great, thanks for anwering. Are there any step by step instructions or procedure I need to follow. I am not a programmer in any way, I'm doing good if I can beat Minesweeper on a computer. I want anyone to be able to access the BBS either through internet or hard phone line modem. I don't want to use this commercially or for a business so I don't really have a lot of money to invest in equipment. (I'm not sure about the HAM radio link, I thought I needed a license and a 30 foot antennae for that.) Do I need to download a Telnet program or package and how would I be able to explain to others how to reach this BBS with their hard phone line modem? Sorry to be a pain, I just want to make sure everything works okay.



[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 12:09:27 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well, the Lobby isn't really the right place for a discussion on getting your feet wet with Linux; you might want to ask any further questions in the Linux room -- but with regard to step by step dial-in configuration you might want to start at http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server -- and you can skip all of the PPP stuff since you're just looking to set up a BBS and not some sort of dialup ISP.

[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 17:52:27 EDT from DavidStevenRoberts

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Okay, I know this will be a weird question, but what's a linux? : )



[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 18:26:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Ok, you're either pulling my leg or you're in the wrong place.

[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 18:56:23 EDT from skpacman

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I'm hoping he's pulling our leg.
I'm staying away from that one... don't want to get rude to a new-comer lol



[#] Mon Apr 25 2011 23:29:19 EDT from DavidStevenRoberts

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Sadly no, I am not pulling your leg. I really don't know what a Linux or linux box is. I'm not a programmer or anything close. I just want to be able to have a board set up so that people I know coast to coast can connect without the Internet. I know I am probably in the wrong place but I don't know how to phrase the question and if I did I don't know where to ask it. A BBS that people can post on via analog modem and keep in touch in areas where Internet service is non existent. Please if you can help.



[#] Tue Apr 26 2011 01:27:17 EDT from triLcat

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DSR: It's not so much that you're in the wrong place as that you're trying to do something that you don't have the basic knowledge to do. Imagine if someone asked how to build an apartment building, and we said "well, here are the blueprints, once you've laid your foundation, you can work with these." and they say "what's a foundation?" Linux is an operating system, like Windows. Installing it is somewhat complex, and if you've never worked with it before, setting up Citadel is probably over your head.

Citadel can do what you want, but setting it up is a somewhat advanced task.



[#] Tue Apr 26 2011 03:51:20 EDT from dothebart

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you need another computer or at least a VM.

install ubuntu on it: http://www.ubuntu.com/

and get some experience with it.

for concerns about ubuntu, there are newspapers available that carry DVDs with UBUNTU in it (at least over here in germany) where you can find the basics you need to know to set up such a system.

educate yourself, ask educated questions, you will get nice answers.

skip the first step, and you will at best be laughed at.

for questions about problems with ubuntu, theres

http://ubuntuforums.org

 

your best friends are 'man' and 'apropos'

after having a base system running start with a terminal and

man man

once you have your system up and running (and understood whats going on there) be welcomed to ask more questions about citadel, I don't think it makes sense beforehand.



[#] Tue Apr 26 2011 10:58:10 EDT from Spell Binder

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David:

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you've never heard of Linux, you're most likely more familiar with Microsoft Windows. If you're really keen on using Citadel as the software choice for your BBS, your options are, frankly, somewhat limited. You can either learn about Linux and install that onto your computer, or, you could attempt to install Citadel on Windows. I'd highly recommend the former option. If you don't have any programming skills, installing Citadel on Windows would require you to learn a lot more than having to learn the basics of Linux.

Another alternative to consider, though I know IG and the rest of the Citadel team don't want to hear it, is to look for a BBS software package specifically designed to run on Windows. That would most likely present the easiest learning curve. Unfortunately, there are few, if any, people here that are familiar with what BBS software packages are available for Windows. I'd suggest hitting up your favorite web search site (Google is my favorite: http://www.google.com) and searching for "windows bbs software". I will caution you, though, that, unlike Linux, Windows software usually doesn't come free. You'll probably find a lot of shareware, which may provide limited functionality, or a timed trial offer unless you upgrade, or commercial software, which may cost quite a bit.

If you do want to follow the route of installing Linux, you will definitely find lots of help all over the Internet. I'd also suggest reading the articles available at WikiPedia, http://en.wikipedia.org, about Linux and BBS software.

Hope this helps!
Spell

[#] Tue Apr 26 2011 20:20:18 EDT from skpacman

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@spell

if citadel had a 'like' or 'thanks' button, i'd definately hit it for that reponse lol

way nicer than the response i was thinking of.

@david

Yes, you're in the right place to get citadel going, but you need to learn the basics and get familiar with your options before trying to set up a citadel server.



[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 11:46:31 EDT from Spell Binder

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skpacman: My first job out of college was doing tech support, so I learned pretty quickly that you make the customers a lot happier when you give them the info they need, treat them with respect, and let them make the decisions about what to do. :)
Spell

[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 14:10:13 EDT from fleeb

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I'd have to echo Spell's comments regarding running Citadel on Windows.  It doesn't come easily, and you wind up having to learn so much stuff, you might as well have learned how to work with the Linux operating system.

But, while you're looking around for alternative software, why not consider Linux as an operating system?  Linux is at least as powerful as Windows, and can be at least as friendly (some people think more-so, some think less... it's a different operating system, so it has its differences to get used to).

Windows is distributed by Microsoft.  Linux, by contrast, is distributed by several companies who package the operating system in various and sundry ways, usually with a particular goal in mind.  Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is particularly nice, if you wanted to get your feet wet with Linux, as it aims to make the OS friendly to the common man.  It's relatively easy to install, and runs pretty nicely.

If you want to have your cake and eat it, too, you could run an Ubuntu distribution of Linux within a virtual machine on your Windows box... in fact, I've done this plenty of time without issue.  You can get a VMWare virtual machine and install Linux on it without issue... others here might have other recommendations.

You can download a copy of Ubuntu from http://www.ubuntu.com.



[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 18:02:13 EDT from David Steven Roberts

Subject: Okay thanks all of you.

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I realize I am in over my head here, but thanks for helping anyway. I'm thinking of maybe tying a string onto two cans maybe that's more my speed.



[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 22:16:13 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar

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Well, in any case, you might consider sticking around here ... there's plenty to learn, but there's also plenty of lively discourse and pleasant conversation.

[#] Wed Apr 27 2011 23:55:40 EDT from ax25

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Sorry we could not give you a single click install, but it would be able to be done.  I would recommend you keep Citadel in mind if you want to do a dial up bbs setup as it works wonders on packet radio (slow connection).



[#] Thu Apr 28 2011 03:59:07 EDT from triLcat

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spell and dothebart: thanks for being nicer than I was.



[#] Thu Apr 28 2011 07:39:39 EDT from saltine

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I'd suggest using FreeDos and Citadel-86 instead. It's pretty easy to setup and everything
is administrated with the Ease program. Most standard serial based modems will work out of box with hayes modem commands; it meets your cost metric.


[#] Thu Apr 28 2011 12:16:44 EDT from DavidStevenRoberts

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How about this, is there a list of already available and structured BBS that perhaps I could find and become a part of. Or instructions on how to access the BBS with regular internet and with an analog modem?

 

I found a Telnet BBS but there didn't seem to be anyone on it or maybe I was in the wrong place again.



[#] Thu Apr 28 2011 12:39:03 EDT from saltine

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I think if you want modern, then this linux based citadel has many nodes,
There are still fidonodes but mostly international, as well as wildcat nodes.
You might want to google for wildcat bbs or something as an alternate.
The Cit86 binaries circa 198X work out of the box and are easy to setup a

network with using modems only.

[#] Thu Apr 28 2011 18:56:00 EDT from fleeb

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Thu Apr 28 2011 12:16:44 EDT from DavidStevenRoberts Subject: Re:

How about this, is there a list of already available and structured BBS that perhaps I could find and become a part of. Or instructions on how to access the BBS with regular internet and with an analog modem?

I found a Telnet BBS but there didn't seem to be anyone on it or maybe I was in the wrong place again.

You could try this one.

telnet bbs@uncensored.citadel.org

This BBS not only has the web interface, but it also has a telnet or ssh interface, for that nice, textual feel.



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