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[#] Tue Oct 04 2011 21:09:34 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I have always avoided doing that because .... if you ^A C for instance,

which screen session takes it?

The outermost one. So if you wnat to get the inner one, you have to ^A A C.
you get used to it fairly quickly.

[#] Tue Oct 04 2011 21:29:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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So some tab in my firefox (4) is leaking memory, I wake up to find my swap spinning like mad.
So I say, let's be stupid and upgrade to 7, I'm THREE MAJOR VERSION BEHIND!
I find the stable software souce channel and alas they only make builds for 11.04 and I'm still running ubuntu 10.10 because Irefuse to upgrade my machine for no reason and then spend days unbreaking everything the upgrade is going to break.
So I can't get the new firefox.
This whole thing is so broken.

[#] Tue Oct 04 2011 23:42:55 EDT from zooer @ Uncensored

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I am using 10.4.3(LTS) because I don't feel the need to have the latest and greatest.

I use this PPA for Firefox:

and this for Thunderbird:


I do have the latest and greatest Firefox and Thunderbird.... only because now with the new crazy number system as soon as the newest version is released, the last version is no longer supported.  ugh.

[#] Wed Oct 05 2011 03:17:45 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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It seems as if they are still pushing out 3.6.x updates, my laptop still is  on that version, since one webdesign plugin is so farkin old it won't work with anything else. 

[#] Wed Oct 05 2011 20:40:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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I use this PPA for Firefox:

yeah I do that and my only option is to remove, it says nothing about upgrading.

[#] Wed Oct 05 2011 20:40:38 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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and why the fuck can't you download adobe flash as a plugin/addon like any other addon.

[#] Thu Oct 06 2011 10:58:50 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Because they've got it wrapped up inside a bunch of other stuff to make it not crash your browser.  The package manager can more reliably install Flash than you can do it by hand.  Trust me on this one.

[#] Thu Oct 06 2011 17:21:11 EDT from Ford II @ Uncensored

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but my package manager doesn't give me the option to install firefox 7 let alone flash for it.

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 10:55:38 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Since our friends at Canonical have decided that Unity will be the user interface for Ubuntu, and those of us who want to continue to operate real computers all seem to be switching to Xfce (xubuntu-desktop) I am now wondering whether there is any reason to continue using Ubuntu instead of just stock Debian.

So far the only reason I'm coming up with (and it's a good one) is that Ubuntu still makes it easier to automatically download and install those various "non-free" bits (codecs, drivers, etc) that the GNUoids would tell us that we must simply Not Use.

Am I missing anything?

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 12:19:54 EDT from LoanShark @ Uncensored

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EC2 support ;)

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 12:20:50 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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well, next to being able to help novice users, I never saw a reason to switch to ubuntu in first place.

debian has non-free & contrib parts of repos, you just need to specify it in their apt-line whether you want to install software from them or not.

me (using never used any kind of desktop; I don't need filemanagers, I know howto operate bash.

I3wm is just the most effective way to manage screenspace for my GUI applications which would be:

 - XTerms (yes truckloads of them, thats why they're first in the list)

 - Iceweasel (most of my GUI stuff runs there..)

 - Emacs (also some windows to the same Editor distributed over several screens & desktops)

 - KCachegrind

 - sqldeveloper (yack java crap...)

 - jmeter (yack more java crap...)

 - soapui (and even much more java crap)

and on testing or debugging icedove or evolution, ekiga now and then... and thats it.

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 12:24:54 EDT from fleeb @ Uncensored

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elm, and pine your blissful e-mail.


[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 15:51:56 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Thanks dothebart but I was looking for reasons to *stay* with Ubuntu not to *leave* it. As far as I know, it's a pain in the ass to install things like non-free codecs and drivers on Debian, while on Ubuntu you click a couple of option boxes and it says "This may be illegal in your country, so it's up to you to check that out, m'kay? Nudge nudge wink wink say no more?"

That's the kind of thing I'm looking to find out if there's any more of.

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 17:35:17 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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deb wheezy main
deb wheezy non-free contrib
deb-src sid main contrib non-free
deb experimental main
#deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-aurora

all codecs installed which are needed.

no big deal.

want xfce?

apt-get install xfce


want bleeding edge? install wheezy (testing) which is what ubuntu also aggregates from.

want real bleeding edge? install sid (which may break now and then.)

other than being a n00b or wanting to helb n00bs there is no good reason to use ubuntu.

[#] Mon Oct 24 2011 19:31:36 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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Just make a step sideways and try Linux Mint (ubuntu based, dunno which desktop, but even more targeted at having more sophistication and ease with preinstalled codecs and whatnot) or Bodhi Linux (more minimal approach, as it seems and enlightenment 17 as desktop). Or any other ubuntu clone. As a debian hater, I'd say you try Suse or Gentoo :-)

[#] Tue Oct 25 2011 10:40:09 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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I'm not a Debian hater; I'm just trying to be practical. At this time I would like to abandon Ubuntu if it is practical. I'm not going to move to a fringe distro. Debian would be great *if* it can do all of the things I need it to do.

How about Flash? I want Flash, and Google Chrome.

[#] Tue Oct 25 2011 10:41:41 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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The package called "flashplugin-nonfree" is a Debian package that Ubuntu just pulled in? What the f**k is Ubuntu actually adding other than their uglydesktop crap?

[#] Wed Oct 26 2011 08:23:45 EDT from dothebart @ Uncensored

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thats what all those angry ubuntu/debian diskussions are about anyways.

Ubuntu primarily pulls stuff more frequent from the debian testing tree, and calls it "stable"

[#] Wed Oct 26 2011 09:08:36 EDT from the_mgt @ Uncensored

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I'd guess their installer is better or at least looks better. There must be a reason why noobs switched to ubuntu by the dozens. Installer is important for those windows users who see reinstallation as a proper way of problem solving and do so every few month. Also, synaptic makes it easy for ex-windows users to get a working system. 

[#] Wed Oct 26 2011 09:49:45 EDT from IGnatius T Foobar @ Uncensored

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Well, I think one of the reasons Ubuntu picked up so many n00bs so quickly is because for the first few years, they'd send free CD's to anyone who wanted them.

I do remember at the time that Ubuntu's desktop was just so much better looking than anything else out there. Nowadays I'm not seeing much of a difference.

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