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[#] Wed Nov 13 2024 13:38:48 UTC from Nurb432

Subject: Re: Darl McDead

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Unfortunately, he will leave one.  A legacy of theft, fraud, deception, death. Will serve as an example of some of the worst of mankind.

Wed Nov 13 2024 01:13:43 UTC from zelgomer Subject: Re: Darl McDead




Except for Bill Gates

 



[#] Wed Nov 13 2024 16:07:57 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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And that's good. There was a time when he might have died with the unearned legacy of a hero. That's not likely to happen now.

[#] Thu Nov 21 2024 23:27:31 UTC from Nurb432

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Well that was unexpected.

Was looking to see it they had a new Debian OS release available with GPU for the latest FriendlyElec board i recently got. Nope, still stuck with CLI for bookworm ( or X11 and no drivers .. ), have to go back to bullseye still for X11 with GPU.  BUT it seems they now have a proxmox installer ..   cool.  That i must try. 



[#] Sat Jan 25 2025 12:10:21 UTC from Nurb432

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New 9Front release for the new year.



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 14:13:58 UTC from SamuraiCrow

Subject: Manjaro

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Does anyone else here use Manjaro as their daily driver? I use mine constantly. The most frequently used apps are Electron apps though: Zoom and OSS Code.



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 14:19:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Never even tried it.  What are the advantages?

Also what's the difference between OSS Code and VS Codium?



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 14:19:20 UTC from Nurb432

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I think i had it on my pinephone for a little bit.  But for me, that is it. I have pretty much stuck with Debian from when i came in from the BSD world. Back then, it was the 'closest' to real UNIX that i ran across, that was big enough to trust to stick around. 

Mon Jan 27 2025 14:13:58 UTC from SamuraiCrow Subject: Manjaro

Does anyone else here use Manjaro as their daily driver? I use mine constantly. The most frequently used apps are Electron apps though: Zoom and OSS Code.



 



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 14:48:58 UTC from Nurb432

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Isn't Codium community built, while OSS Code is M$ built and shipped, but based off the same code base?  Tho i doubt Codium can use the M$ store. 

Mon Jan 27 2025 14:19:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Manjaro

Never even tried it.  What are the advantages?

Also what's the difference between OSS Code and VS Codium?



 



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 14:53:30 UTC from SamuraiCrow

Subject: Re: Manjaro

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Mon Jan 27 2025 14:19:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Manjaro

Never even tried it.  What are the advantages?

Also what's the difference between OSS Code and VS Codium?



OSS Code doesn't use 3rd party repos for installing plugins while VS Codium assumes you have root access. At least that's my understanding. They use the same plugins though.

Manjaro is an Arch derivative for 64 bit systems only. It's great on x86-64 but not so great on AArch64. My Pinebook Pro laptop runs the latter but hasn't been able to access WiFi for months now. A driver update killed the networking and I haven't gotten around to backing up the EMMC flash contents to reflash it with a fresh install.

The advantage of Manjaro are a tested, rolling release cycle with multiple kernel version support. I run my desktop system on the latest LTS kernel and leave the bleeding edge to those that have time to bleed.



[#] Mon Jan 27 2025 15:08:54 UTC from SamuraiCrow

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Mon Jan 27 2025 14:48:58 UTC from Nurb432 Subject: Re: Manjaro

Isn't Codium community built, while OSS Code is M$ built and shipped, but based off the same code base?  Tho i doubt Codium can use the M$ store. 

Mon Jan 27 2025 14:19:03 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Manjaro

Never even tried it.  What are the advantages?

Also what's the difference between OSS Code and VS Codium?

VS Code is the Microsoft product, VS Codium and OSS Code are both community operated. They all use the same plugins though.



[#] Sat Feb 01 2025 21:04:28 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

Subject: Re: Manjaro

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I'm up to trying a new Linux, but instead of Manjaro I'm giving OpenMandriva a try. Not that I object to any of the ideas of Manjaro, but there are a couple of things that appeal to me ... specifically the Debian people are doubling down on woke ideology and OpenMandriva is outwardly anti-woke. That got my attention. Then I learned that it's KDE Plasma by default, which really works well for me. What people have said is true: their implementation of KDE Plasma is *gorgeous*. And now I'm finding that their browser is -- not just Chromium, but specifically the "UnGoogled Chromium" variant. That's what I use at work on my 'doze machine, because the security goons won't let us run Brave (because it's got a Tor client in it).

Liberation Mono is a nice terminal font. I might stick with it for a while.
Normally I'm an IBM Plex fan but this looks pretty good.

[#] Sat Feb 01 2025 21:29:42 UTC from Nurb432

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Whats wrong with Debian? 



[#] Sat Feb 01 2025 23:21:24 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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Whats wrong with Debian? 

Lunduke is spreading the word: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsKbj5bCS4A ]

They're getting more obnoxious about inserting politics into their software and governance models.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2025 00:32:44 UTC from darknetuser

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2025-02-01 21:29 from Nurb432
Subject: Re: Manjaro
Whats wrong with Debian? 


1 - Development is monolithic. If you want to install a piece of software in a more recent version that what is packaged for your release, fixing the library incompatibilities is awful because everything is so tightly integrated.


2 - Woke as fuck.

3 - Development cycles are too slow. This would not be a problem if they made good on their promise of releasing only when the distribution is in an A+ grade state... but when a bug slips in they take ages to fix it. In fact they might fix it on an upstream branch (ie. Sid) and mark it as fixed while the bug is causing dataloss for Stable users. Due to point 1 it is a crapshoot to import the fixes yourself.

It is not that Debian is "bad" but, to be honest, for a personal computer these days I would rather use Slackware. You get the slow release cycle for the core distribution but upgrading individual components (official and extraofficial) is much more doable. Not that I am a superfan of Slackware either, I think their release engineering sucks balls.

When I need something Debianesque I use Devuan. Most of the time I run BSDs these days.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2025 02:07:20 UTC from darknetuser

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2025-02-01 23:21 from IGnatius T Foobar
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Whats wrong with Debian?

Lunduke is spreading the word: [
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsKbj5bCS4A ]

Thanks for the link.

I find it disturbing that NixOS is also compromised. This is a bad thing because Nix is the sort of thing you could drop on a random Linux device not designed to run a regular package manager (such as, for example, the Steam Deck) to run regular Linux software. It looks like a whole lot of people (including the father of the project) has been kicked out due to political reasons - such as accepting a sponsorship from an "evil" company that makes weapon systems.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2025 14:24:07 UTC from Nurb432

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Realistically anything that has  large team of humans involved, will have issues like this.

Often times, but not always of course, small teams or single developers will too. But with larger ones, you can almost expect the "political" posturing, which then trickles down to the "users" like this.

 Sun Feb 02 2025 02:07:20 UTC from darknetuser Subject: Re: Manjaro

I find it disturbing that NixOS is also compromised. 

 



[#] Sun Feb 02 2025 18:57:18 UTC from darknetuser

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2025-02-02 14:24 from Nurb432
Subject: Re: Manjaro
Realistically anything that has  large team of humans involved,
will have issues like this.

Often times, but not always of course, small teams or single
developers will too. But with larger ones, you can almost expect
the "political" posturing, which then trickles down to the
"users" like this.

Well, yes and no.

I can't imagine OpenBSD being overtaken, for example. Theo is too much of an asshole to be preyed upon. If somebody pops up and calls him a nazi he will tell him to shut the fuck up and let the adults code, or a variation.


I like the way Slackware is organized in that regard. It is registered as an actual business with a single member (the main developer) and then there is a close team of contributors. That does not get a whole lot of things done, but the things they don't do are done by third party organizations. In other words: you have a very small team developing the core of the distribution, and then a community repository managed by volunteers with their own leadership elsewhere.

[#] Sun Feb 02 2025 19:05:56 UTC from Nurb432

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He is one of the prime examples of a project mostly run by single person, inserting his politics into the project. 

 

Sun Feb 02 2025 18:57:18 UTC from darknetuser Subject: Re: Manjaro
Theo is too much of an asshole to be preyed upon.

 



[#] Mon Feb 03 2025 23:39:20 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar

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I find it disturbing that NixOS is also compromised. This is a bad

Yeah, from what I've read they're among the worst: they make you explicitly sign on to their politics before you can participate.

Now we've got people calling Lunduke a nazi because he's calling out their bullshit and being heard by more than just a fringe audience.

[#] Tue Feb 04 2025 00:22:40 UTC from Nurb432

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I didn't watch yet, but since you guys think hes worthwhile i will later this week. But in his channel i noticed one of the titles:  "Arch Linux Discord: "I think we should kill Lunduke""

So add Arch to the Sh*t List?

 

Perhaps we should start our own distro :)  ( just kidding. i know how much work goes into that sort of nonsense )



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