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I wonder if people would have complained less about Wayland if they
had simply called it X12.
Yes there would have been the same complaints. Heck I know people complains about NFSv4.
Id expect even more people upset as they would have stolen the name then perverted it.
I wonder if people would have complained less about Wayland if they
had simply called it X12.
Yes there would have been the same complaints. Heck I know people complains about NFSv4.
There's no satisfying some people. As previously indicated I think Wayland is a good and needed upgrade. Have you read the architecture document?
[ https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html ]
There is a LOT of technical debt in X11. Moving to Wayland isn't unlike what Apple did with OS X, building a modern system and then providing a shim layer that maps the old display server's calls to the new one (Cocoa and Carbon, similar to XWayland).
My objection to Red (as in red commie bastards) Hat behavior isn't the transition to Wayland, it's their treatment of X11Libre and its developers. If someone wants to fix bugs in the old layer, let them! Yes, eventually everything will move to Wayland and there won't be anything left in X11 except for XWayland, reduced simply to a shim layer for old applications. But we're not there yet.
On the other hand, GNOME needs to die, and so do its creators (who now work for Microsoft out in the open instead of secretly).
and yes, i know, apt <> rpm but i saw this today in the x1libre list and thought it was funny.
On the other hand, GNOME needs to die, and so do its creators (who now work for Microsoft out in the open instead of secretly).
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Well, that is odd. I still see it after posting, in 2 different browsers. Both logged in and not logged in...
It was a screenshot of a fake command line:
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root@fedora: ~$ sudo apt purge gnome
This Command is a Code of Conduct violation.
You have been reported and banned.
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Sure, totally fake, but funny, and fits in with our discussion here. They are making fun of the wokeifcation and oppression from projects like gnome, redhat, etc. For the X11libre team, they want no part of that nonsense. ( and are actually getting grief for stating that in writing.. idiots out there )
Subject: Re: Proposal To Ship XLibre As X11 Server Packages On Fedora Linux Is Withdrawn
Of course not.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-XLibre-Proposal-Withdraw
Subject: Re: Proposal To Ship XLibre As X11 Server Packages On Fedora Linux Is Withdrawn
Subject: Re: Proposal To Ship XLibre As X11 Server Packages On Fedora Linux Is Withdrawn
I have avoided them since they went rouge decades ago. Do they support 3rd party repositories, like Debian does, or is it a walled garden now? ( like where Ubuntu is heading ) If the libre project offered packages, at least that is one way around it for those who want to.
Fri Jun 27 2025 02:19:52 UTC from IGnatius T Foobar Subject: Re: Proposal To Ship XLibre As X11 Server Packages On Fedora Linux Is WithdrawnOf course. It didn't stand a chance. Reich Hat is leading the cancellation of XLibre, and Fedora is basically just the development version of Reich Hat.
Funny, even if this project ultimately fails, its bringing to light the sad state of affairs in the OSS world. Perhaps things will change, for the better. Keep the momentum going!
https://linuxiac.com/the-curious-case-of-xlibre-xserver/
I have been trying to configure various software systems to control the fans in the laptop. It's a Razer Blade 15 say 2020 year. These others proclaim they have resolved the issue and i guess i believe them, however, I have had no success. Actually I am running Ubuntu Studio to be frank. There are new issues with linux that i don't especially like. Hell I may just go back to Xenix or AmigaOS! Another thing when running windows the laptop gets so fucking hot. I can't stand all the bs apps running. I have installed 11lite etc... and they do reduce a lot of the bs apps by not including them.
Still, windows overheats my laptop (this one anyway). Linux doesn't. But once I installed nvidia drivers and the cuda products, it starts to get hot.
Almost as bad as windows. I dunno. I have tons of laptops but I for some reason still enjoy this particular Razer Blade. Even the MSI Dragon gets super hot. Oh well, later all and fuck trump and all those criminals he brought with him.
Imagine Elon Musk was given full access to every single database that the USA has produced and nobody has said a damn thing about it. Fuck that alien.
Subject: Re: Proposal To Ship XLibre As X11 Server Packages On Fedora Linux Is Withdrawn
I have avoided them since they went rouge decades ago. Do they
They've always been rouge. It's in their name.
But at some point they went rogue too. To me it seemed like things were ok up through and including the Jim Whitehurst years, but after that they got too big for their breeches. I guess that was around the time IBM bought them.
I don't personally know of anyone running Red Hat Linux (except for our old friend Wabewalker, who works for them now).
Subject: Re: The Curious Case of XLibre Xserver
Funny, even if this project ultimately fails, its bringing to
light the sad state of affairs in the OSS world. Perhaps
things will change, for the better. Keep the momentum going!
Now there's a bit of optimism. Keep it up, it looks good on you.
I do believe, having observed for decades, that the nature of open source is to build whatever is needed to circumvent the rent-seekers. Whether it is evil-to-the-bone enemies such as Microsoft and Adobe, or former members of the community who have "turned", we simply don't allow those to exist as roadblocks forever.
Not sure id call it optimism in a traditional sense, its from the dark angle that i would like to destroy the current state of affairs and would love to see things like systemd and wayland and PulseAudio be burnt to the ground and those who created them swinging from a pole in the public square.
Never forget, raw hate gives you focus, and keeps you warm in the winter.
Now there's a bit of optimism. Keep it up, it looks good on you.
I don't remember the details now, its been too long but i had a similar situation once. Ended up sending bit commands directly to addresses in the hardware. Doubt that works today, so fast forward a few decades, there are several NVIDIA libraries that should do the trick?
https://github.com/RoversX/nvidia_fan_control_linux/tree/main
( not mine. uses a 3rd party NVIDIA control library )
Subject: Re: The Curious Case of XLibre Xserver
Never forget, raw hate gives you focus, and keeps you warm in the
winter.
Actually it'll keep you warm for eternity.
Im good with that.
Tho i hate heat :P
Never forget, raw hate gives you focus, and keeps you warm in the
winter.
Actually it'll keep you warm for eternity.
Linux Reaches 5% Desktop Market Share In USA
Nice.
Funny this comes right after I switched to FreeBSD. It is blazing fast, faster than anything else I have tried, so it is probably what I will stick with.
Subject: Re: ubuntu 24.04 and nvidia 2070 fan control
Still, windows overheats my laptop (this one anyway). Linux doesn't.
But once I installed nvidia drivers and the cuda products, it starts to
get hot.
Does your laptop use hybrid graphics? Hybrid graphics are a regular culprit since most often than not they set the discrete card on even if you are not using it. If you are not doing anything GPU intensive it is usually better to just switch the discrete card off the hard way.